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Post by rocko on Mar 31, 2008 8:26:07 GMT -5
there is a man who walks around my town. Near town square and pretty much everywhere else. He is wearing a sandwich board that says
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WHITES!
and he yells white power type things out as people go by. What he yells is not ANTI-any other color or hateful about other people. He just yells about whites needing equal rights.
He wears a bullet proof vest. I heard he has a gun.
What do you think?
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Post by sheyd on Mar 31, 2008 10:00:45 GMT -5
I wonder where his food/money is coming from that he can afford to just stand around all day wearing a sign?
Without hearing what he is saying, I would hesitate to make too much of a judgement. I think I would probably go up to him and strike up a conversation - find out what he really feels, and why, and what he hopes to accomplish. I think it is a matter of "white priviledge" that most people wouldn't realize that I would, as a white woman, feel safe doing that. Would anyone who was not white feel that safe? I think it is good no one has attacked him, and that he has attacked no one. I hope it stays that way.
As a side note, when are men going to stand up and ask for equal rights, too? I am not talking about in the workplace, where men are STILL favored, but in the traditional "women areas" - childcare, emotional openness, communication skills, etc. Men still aren't "expected" to do these things, and their skills aren't as respected when they do. "Boys will be boys" is still accepted, while our teenage sons kill, are killed, and commit suicide more than girls.
Shey
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Post by JC on Mar 31, 2008 10:09:13 GMT -5
holy crap shey.. i guess that is the diference between the north and south.
down here, it would be perfectly fine for a black man to do that, but NOT a white man.
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Post by sheyd on Mar 31, 2008 10:18:55 GMT -5
As long as someone isn't attacking, even if you think their views aren't correct... free speech and all that. There IS an intellectual branch who feels that white men get the shaft (I don't actually agree with that branch, but I DO understand where they are coming from).
The key is to keep it non-violent, and non-attacking. Except of course, it would FEEL attacking, if you weren't white. How could it not?
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Post by JC on Mar 31, 2008 10:21:47 GMT -5
yeah, well free speech and all that.. lets see you come down into norfolk and wear a sign like that. i doubt you would walk away from that. i would never live in norfolk for that reason....
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Post by rocko on Mar 31, 2008 10:24:15 GMT -5
I think he is homeless.
He also has a really crazy look in his eye. That kind of look that makes you know that he is dangerous.
I know some people have talked to him. They say he rambles on and on.
I will try to get a picture next time he frequents town. I dont' go to downtown much.
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Post by sheyd on Mar 31, 2008 10:34:39 GMT -5
Then he is scary. If he is smart enough to know not to say actual racist things (so the police can do something about him) or to actually attack someone, but he DOES carry a gun... He is really scary. That kind of talk is either to gain attention for real change, which is why I would talk to him, or to incite someone else to violence. He obviously doesn't want real change if he isn't very coherent and just rambles on, so he is probably trying to incite violence while not being the one who starts it. Scary. I hope people leave him alone!
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Post by rocko on Mar 31, 2008 10:52:38 GMT -5
Bc he isn't being racist they can't do anything about him.
So mostly we all ignore him.
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Post by jules on Mar 31, 2008 11:07:57 GMT -5
As a side note, when are men going to stand up and ask for equal rights, too? I am not talking about in the workplace, where men are STILL favored, but in the traditional "women areas" - childcare, emotional openness, communication skills, etc. Men still aren't "expected" to do these things, and their skills aren't as respected when they do. "Boys will be boys" is still accepted, while our teenage sons kill, are killed, and commit suicide more than girls. Ok, this is something on which I have fairly strong feelings. The thing is that it DOES tie in with the workplace intrinsically. Until men leave the workplace at equal rates as women do to take care of their families, and request flex time or go part time for the same reason, there will never be equality in the workplace or in regards to care of one's family. Personally I think it SHOULD be equal, so issues such as taking time off when sick, needing flex time, leaving the workplace to be a stay-at-home parent become PARENTAL issues, rather than women's issues. Until men do show the same initiative, they will continue to be seen as women's issues, which not only hurt women in the workplace (whether or not they have children), but also lower expectations of fathers as parents. As for men in traditionally female-dominated fields, the reasons are generally financial. Overall in society men are still expected to be the "breadwinner", while it's acceptable for women to work for "extras." Again, if more men went into these types of fields which are generally more "family friendly," eventually there would be less discrimination as it becomes more "normal" to see a male child care worker or school nurse.
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Post by rocko on Mar 31, 2008 11:15:48 GMT -5
When I get up in the morning 30 minutes before Kevin who leaves at the same time as I do bc I have TWO children to get ready and he doesn't help....he doesn't get treated equally. When it is a given that I will take them with me unless I cannot...it isn't equal. I have to ask him to take them if I cannot.
If he wanted equal I would give it, but he would have to do HALF/EQUAL of all good and bad.
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Post by freckles on Mar 31, 2008 11:30:41 GMT -5
On TV they allways make Fun of a White Man
While the Woman or Other Race is allways seen as Smart etc
White Men get Offended by that
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Post by gdgross on Mar 31, 2008 12:08:09 GMT -5
down here, it would be perfectly fine for a black man to do that, but NOT a white man. My spidey-sense reveals a tone of indignation in your post. I apologize in advance if I'm reading into your statement. I really don't see that particular kind of inequality as a problem. There are some things that black people can say that white people can't. So what? It's to be expected given our history. Mike Huckabee's comments regarding the statements by Obama's pastor sum up my thoughts on the matter quite well: As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say, "That's a terrible statement," I grew up in a very segregated South, and I think that you have to cut some slack. And I'm going to be probably the only conservative in America who's going to say something like this, but I'm just telling you: We've got to cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told, "You have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can't sit out there with everyone else. There's a separate waiting room in the doctor's office. Here's where you sit on the bus." And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had ... more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.
- Mike Huckabee, offering his perspective on the preaching of Rev. Jeremiah Wright. (Source: MSNBC)
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Post by JC on Mar 31, 2008 12:18:05 GMT -5
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Post by JC on Mar 31, 2008 12:26:39 GMT -5
did you know that our founding fathers made black people only worth 3/5ths a person, because they didnt want slave owners in the south to have control of the government? so that they could abolish slavery? people dont like to look at that part of it. it doesnt fit with the american fairy tale.
im not saying that black people were treated fairly. not at all. and maybe where you sit, they are still being treated unfair. but from where i sit, they are getting their asses kissed all the way down the line. fuck that.... i dont give a fuck who i offend. i work hard for what i have. i have had a tough life. you dont see me out blaming everyone else.
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Post by jules on Mar 31, 2008 12:28:08 GMT -5
JC would you like to trade places?
nice post, gdgross.
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