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Post by Phyxius on Jul 11, 2008 23:02:21 GMT -5
OK - there is a certain amount of truth to that one. There needs to be a MUCH more vehement denouncing of these assholes by the mainstream Mulim communities. They need to separate themselves from the fringe as much as possible and publicly put forward that there IS a difference. Just expecting people to see that is wishful thinking. They are going to have to MAKE people see it. *faint* Oh, SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Jul 12, 2008 17:15:13 GMT -5
Oh, SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
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Post by freckles on Jul 14, 2008 12:09:42 GMT -5
It will Destroy the USA if Obama wins
Because we need Oil drilling off the Coast and Everywhere
We need 100 or more Nuke Plants and Coal Plants and thousands of Windmills and Sollar Arrays etc etc etc etc
On Fox news they asked a Democrat where will the USA get Power and that Democrat said Solar and Wind
The Fox News Person said if thats true
Why did the Democrats CANCEL the Tax Breaks to Wind and Solar Power ?
Why do the Democrats * When someone wants to put up more Windmills/Solar Run over there and say NO ! Dont put them Up !
That is the Question
Thats why Obama will have us * Burning Sticks in the commode to keep from freezing to death in winter
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Post by shattered on Jul 14, 2008 13:21:26 GMT -5
To JimB:
Just because Bush is a disaster, does not mean that Obama will be great!!
Good heavens.
Precisely because Bush screwed everything up is why we finally need a real leader.
We can disagree (and obviously do) whether Obama or McCain would be the better president, but dragging up how bad Bush is to make the point that Obama is great is absolutely non-senscial. (Your "fixed that for ya" comment where you changed my words. I voted for McCain in the primaries eight years ago, and made clear I'm not a Bush fan, so I really don't see what you're trying to get at.)
Also, have been curious about this for a while -- why do you sport a picture of one of the greatest mass-murdering monsters in history under your screen name?
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Post by JimB on Jul 14, 2008 15:00:53 GMT -5
I do think Obama would be great, but that wasn't my point. I just thought it was funny how well it fit. FWIW, I'm not voting for Obama because I'm afraid of a McCain presidency. He'd be ok as long as he remembers to take his lithium. I'm voting for Obama because I like and am inspired by Obama. (A strong statement, considering how deep my political cynicism has become.) I can just about guarantee that neither candidate will do as good a job of "Destroying the USA" as Mr. Bush has done. Also, have been curious about this for a while -- why do you sport a picture of one of the greatest mass-murdering monsters in history under your screen name? I am vast - I contain multitudes.
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Post by goods on Jul 15, 2008 13:16:16 GMT -5
If they are easily led masses, they will be led by someone! Prefer it be someone with the good of us all and our future at heart, rather than someone just looking to keep as much of their inherited... er, I mean... hard-won (yeah, thats what I meant) money in their own pockets! I haven't been keeping up on this or many other threads but What the Hell sort of thinking is that? Shey I guess you'll be leaving all money and property that you have when you die to the state. My dad's father had is own siding business and was very successfully.. however he was also an alcoholic. He died young and pennyless, leaving nothing for my father and his two brothers. My father has worked his ass off, taught HS for 13 years, during which he got his law degree. PAID for his own schooling. So somehow, in the liberal mind, it would be unfair for me or my sister to inherit money or property from him? Do a little research into how much "hard-won" money the top liberals have.... Kennedy (money protected from US taxes in off shore accounts), Kerry, Obama, Clinton, Pelosi.... How much hard work did any of them do for what they have, tell me about all the callouses on their fingers. Yes we neeed the state to control all assets to make sure everyone has an equal share of the "pie".
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Post by sheyd on Jul 15, 2008 13:29:43 GMT -5
money protected from US taxes in off shore accounts My point exactly. Those who HAVE money want to keep it, protect it, pass it on, and give all sorts of tax breaks to the wealthy, while the hardworking people get screwed. What blows my mind is how the hardworking people AGREE to this idea time and time again, not even realizing how the income gap is widening. Trickle-down theory doesn't work. The rich get richer (and more and more protected in their wealthy status) while the poor get poorer. But go ahead, lets just give the power to those that want to keep it that way! You will be lucky if your hard working dad HAS money to pass down. God knows I won't! Lets just take away all social programs, that way those rich people can just keep all the wealth in the top ten percent of the nation, and the poor can just die off. Who needs em anyway, right? ANY politician is wealthy, and keeping it that way. I at least want someone who is for social welfare and social reform over self-interest and trickle down politics.
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Post by freckles on Jul 15, 2008 13:49:56 GMT -5
1/2 or more of the Poor are Addicts
Every Dollar they get they Drink/Drug and destroy thier family and friends
The other 1/2 are Regular People like everybody is
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Post by goods on Jul 15, 2008 14:14:55 GMT -5
The money the government has for social programs comes out of my posket and yours Shey. Here is how it should (and did) work. ::who takes care of you:: yourself your family your community (friends & church & neighbors) local government (city & county) state government fed. government
Currently this is upside down... just look at New Orleans/Katrina. The first thing people expected was the Fed. to come in and take care of them... many did not even try to take care of themselves or their family.
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Post by JimB on Jul 15, 2008 14:28:22 GMT -5
1/2 or more of the Poor are Addicts Every Dollar they get they Drink/Drug and destroy thier family and friends Troll. Goods: And what on earth are you basing this ridiculous assessment on? I don't necessarily disagree that there are freeloaders in our society, but this is a lousy example.
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Post by goods on Jul 15, 2008 14:41:20 GMT -5
ridiculous assessment? Do you think FEMA failed in New Orleans? People not leaving the path of Katrina was a failure, people not leaving the path of rising flood waters was a failure, people sitting on their asses waiting for a Fed. governement Agency 2000 miles away to take care of them was a failure..... All of those failures go on the individuals.
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Post by JimB on Jul 15, 2008 15:39:23 GMT -5
Your lack of compassion astounds me, and you're wrong on so many levels I just don't know where to begin. Do you believe rape is a failure on the victim's part, as well? Suffice to say that Katrina was NOBODY'S FAULT. Bad shit sometimes happens. It's not our place to sit in judgment of people forced to choose between homelessness at home or homelessness on the road. I suggest that if your entire legacy as a human being, along with that of your whole family, happened to be tied up in your home, you wouldn't find it very easy to turn your back on it, no matter what the circumstances. Every social system has abusers. The school system has them, the legal system has them, the governmental system has them. So naturally, social welfare systems are going to have them too. We pay attention the best we can and try to install competent people (unlike Michael Brown) to oversee them. It galls me that you have the nerve to suggest - without any proof - that the abusers are the rule rather than the exception. Katrina was a special case. Whether you like it or not, an infrastructure (FEMA) does exist to assist people in case of disaster. Right or wrong, people have come to expect government aid when their personal assets are suddenly reduced to zero (or less). That aid system FAILED. Your little hierarchy of personal responsibility breaks down completely when you place a person and their entire community in a situation where the basic needs of food, clothing and shelter are unmet. So much for painting with a broad brush - looks like you might have to narrow that focus just a tetch.
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Post by JC on Jul 15, 2008 17:51:37 GMT -5
ridiculous assessment? Do you think FEMA failed in New Orleans? People not leaving the path of Katrina was a failure, people not leaving the path of rising flood waters was a failure, people sitting on their asses waiting for a Fed. governement Agency 2000 miles away to take care of them was a failure..... All of those failures go on the individuals. i had this really long, good response to this, and my computer went dormant and it went bye bye. what you fail to understand goods, is that the people that stayed had probably been thru so many hurricanes that they saw no reason to leave. the levies breaking was the devastating part that no one saw coming, and by the time anyone did, it was too late for them to leave. lots of people stay. i stay most of the time, and when you do, before it even gets bad, you have police riding thru telling you that if you call 911 they wont come. so the staying part, you have no idea what you are talking about (again. god you are a dumbass) the people who are still down there doing nothing to help themselves, now that is different. i could have already built a couple of houses by now.
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Post by JC on Jul 15, 2008 17:54:17 GMT -5
If they are easily led masses, they will be led by someone! Prefer it be someone with the good of us all and our future at heart, rather than someone just looking to keep as much of their inherited... er, I mean... hard-won (yeah, thats what I meant) money in their own pockets! I haven't been keeping up on this or many other threads but What the Hell sort of thinking is that? Shey I guess you'll be leaving all money and property that you have when you die to the state. My dad's father had is own siding business and was very successfully.. however he was also an alcoholic. He died young and pennyless, leaving nothing for my father and his two brothers. My father has worked his ass off, taught HS for 13 years, during which he got his law degree. PAID for his own schooling. So somehow, in the liberal mind, it would be unfair for me or my sister to inherit money or property from him? Do a little research into how much "hard-won" money the top liberals have.... Kennedy (money protected from US taxes in off shore accounts), Kerry, Obama, Clinton, Pelosi.... How much hard work did any of them do for what they have, tell me about all the callouses on their fingers. Yes we neeed the state to control all assets to make sure everyone has an equal share of the "pie". you are truly an idiot. how about working yourself and making your own money instead of looking at your dad like he is a bank account??
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Post by Phyxius on Jul 15, 2008 23:58:27 GMT -5
You are truly an idiot. how about working yourself and making your own money instead of looking at your dad like he is a bank account?? Yanno... Of all the things we love about you, it has to be your sweet and gentle disposition we love the most.
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