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Post by freckles on Jan 20, 2008 10:28:57 GMT -5
There is Places in Every City / Town on the Planet that are Secret Prisons and Death Camps
I decided to Expose Them
They are Called * Nursing Homes / Old Folks Homes
Once you check in then You can never ever leave until you are Dead.
Unless a Relative or a Dr checks you out.
Even if you are of sound mind(sane) and able to get around.
You are the same as in Prisons or Jail
If you want to go somewhere a relative has to sign you out.
If you don't have relatives you are Screwed
If you get Rowdy(Upset) about this
They will Drug you and Zonk you out
So you lay in the bed drooling until you die
I think there are millions of People whose civil Rights are destroyed every day.
If the DR / Hospital says. Hey you have to be in a Hospital bed for over a couple weeks
It would be better if we send you to the Nursing Home for that two weeks
If you go, You are Fucked. You will never see daylight agan.
Because the government sends them a bigger check the more people they have in there.
You check in , you don't check out.
Marginal News about the Biggest Coverup in History by Freckles your Marginal News Man
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Post by wizer on Jan 20, 2008 12:26:24 GMT -5
Freckles,
Nursing homes exist for the primary purpose of providing a safe environment for old folks who can no longer survive on their own, and are too much work and responsibility for their family members.
Yes, when a person checks in, they don't check out until they are dead. Not BECAUSE its a "prison", but because the person is no longer capable of existing outside of such a place. They are not "trapped there until they die", they are living out what is left of their lives in a place that (hopefully) makes their final years somewhat comfortable and enjoyable.
Sure, there are some places that are downright horrible and neglectful, and you occasionally hear stories of "abuse", but those are exceptions, not the general rule.
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Post by jules on Jan 20, 2008 12:44:39 GMT -5
Thank you, idoc. It makes me sick to hear ignorance spewed about this matter.
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Post by wizer on Jan 20, 2008 12:45:44 GMT -5
^ Welcome to Freckle's world.
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Post by Phyxius on Jan 20, 2008 12:52:14 GMT -5
Gotta agree with idocsteve on this one... So, freck - I guess that means you're totally screwed on this topic...
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Post by finding on Jan 20, 2008 12:56:31 GMT -5
Freckles,
I used to work at an assisted living home as a caregiver. You couldn't be farther from the truth.
These people can't do the day to day things necessary to live on their own and need the help. Our job was to provide them a safe environment in which to live out the rest of their lives because their families were not capable of taking on the full time responsiblity.
Most people could sign themselves out if they so choose (dementia patients cannot for safety reasons). Signing out is a safety precaution. People cannot just come and go as they please because it is unsafe and the facility is ultimately in charge of their well being. It is used to keep everyone safe.
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Post by wizer on Jan 20, 2008 14:02:11 GMT -5
Gotta agree with idocsteve on this one... I know an olive branch when I see one. * idoc takes olive branch and places it in a cup of water by the window *
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Post by freckles on Jan 20, 2008 17:39:21 GMT -5
Most people could sign themselves out if they so choose
I wonder
I bet its not true at a lot of places
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Post by blazinheart on Jan 20, 2008 18:34:52 GMT -5
Well, you don't see nursing homes all over the rest of the world like you do in this country. The fact is, it's a disgrace to stick your elderly mom or dad in a nursing home, just because you can't be bothered with taking care of them.
I don't care what the excuse is, our parents brought us into this world, took care of us, provided for us, raised us, worked hard, and we should have the decency to take care of them in their elderly years when they can't take care of themselves.
My parents will never go into a home, ever.
It's a sad reflection on a sad society. I'm with you on this one Freck.
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Post by lumpy on Jan 20, 2008 18:38:54 GMT -5
The fact is, it's a disgrace to stick your elderly mom or dad in a nursing home, just because you can't be bothered with taking care of them. I don't care what the excuse is, our parents brought us into this world, took care of us, provided for us, raised us, worked hard, and we should have the decency to take care of them in their elderly years when they can't take care of themselves. I agree with you up to a point. If the person in question has life threatening, chronic conditions, it becomes very hard if not damn near impossible for them to be properly cared for at home. I would prefer to take care of my parents if I'm able to do so without putting the rest of my life on hold.
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Post by blazinheart on Jan 20, 2008 20:00:29 GMT -5
I agree with you up to a point. If the person in question has life threatening, chronic conditions, it becomes very hard if not damn near impossible for them to be properly cared for at home. I would prefer to take care of my parents if I'm able to do so without putting the rest of my life on hold. Well, most people in nursing homes are elderly people who have been discarded by their families, not those with chronic life-threatening conditions. Unless you consider old age a life-threatening condition. To your second statement lumpy; are there any other people in this world more worthy of you putting certain things in you life on hold than your parents? Personally, I believe parents should be honored right up until death. And honoring your parents isn't pawning them off on some nursing home to have other people who don't love them watch them die. Part of the reasons we have so many nursing homes in this country is that elderly people have become expendable and costly to our own progress, so we stuff them in a old folks home and go on about our lives. We've lost sight of what's important. People don't want to make sacrifices anymore. And caring for your elderly parents would certainly be a sacrifice. But it's a worthwhile one. And we shouldn't forget that our parents made sacrifices throughout our lives.
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Post by jules on Jan 20, 2008 21:51:01 GMT -5
blazin, until you have personally experienced this type of excruciatingly painful situation I respectfully suggest that you shut the hell up about it, since your blatant ignorance shows that you have no idea of the factors one must consider when deciding what is best for the individuals involved.
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Post by blazinheart on Jan 20, 2008 21:57:09 GMT -5
you have no idea of the factors one must consider when deciding what is best for the individuals involved. Yeah right. Gimme a break jules. People stick their parents in a nursning home basically for one reason; to keep them out of their hair. They don't want to deal with the parents, so they let someone else do it, and the parents suffer. They don't do this in most of the world, then again, most of the world realizes the importance of family, unlike our country.
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Post by freckles on Jan 20, 2008 22:30:23 GMT -5
I know people do go there because they have to
But, even if 1 is there because of a family is selfish and abandons thier relative
And they are thier agansed thier will
That is Kidnaping
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Post by wizer on Jan 20, 2008 22:47:31 GMT -5
even if 1 is there because of a family is selfish and abandons thier relative...And they are thier agansed thier will That is Kidnaping The ignorance on this thread is astounding. If only one kid goes to school against their will, is that kidnapping too? The reason the US has nursing homes is because we are the richest country and we can afford them. Most old folks are probably happier there among peers playing bingo than rotting in a bedroom of a family members house.
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