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Post by soupnazi on Aug 25, 2008 23:47:22 GMT -5
Was I the only one watching the DNC tonight, and just felt like everything was so over the top touchy feely?
Sweet lord. First, they started off with the great Ted Kennedy, poor Ted, he has triumphed through so much with his brain tumor, lets bring his entire family on stage after his speech, because God love him, we don't know how long he's gonna last, let's have a feel good moment.
Now, lets bring Michelle on. She has sat there as a good little wife and watched her husband triumph through so much, "realized Dr. King's dream", and is just so amazed at all of his accomplishments. Oh wait, let's get the cute little girls on, too, and hand them the microphone so they can look even cuter.
Sheesh. I swear to god, it just enrages me that most people in this country will watch this shit and base their vote on it. Blindly following, just because they are "democrat" or "republican", and not thinking for themselves.
I would encourage anyone to look at voting records from either candidate from their Senate days. Look at votes they missed, look at what their opinions were on issues, long before they became candidates for president.
Watching commercials is not the way to decide who governs this country. Looking at their past, and making an adult decision as to how you think they will govern as president, is.
I would like to think that the rest of the DNC deals with hard issues, and I would like to think the same of the RNC next week. Unfortunately, I think that both of them will try to pander to the most basic and ignorant of voters...
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Post by lqdKaos on Aug 26, 2008 9:18:23 GMT -5
I agree with you wholeheartedly. But lets be honest, the campaigns are going to work the lowest common denominator. They are going after the voters that are easiest to manipulate. The people that do their own research have mostly made their decisions.
Its like car commercials. The buyers that do their research before going in, are not usually swayed by fancy commercials or by the offer of extra floormats. They know what they want and why.
For the rest of the voters, the Reps / Dems are going to try to smear each other or make themselves look way better than they are. They are going to do everything they can to take attention away from their past voting record, record of service, past goods / bads. The only way to do that is to polish the good of themself and hype the bad about the other person. All in hopes that the "average joe" will use that as a substitute for actually researching deeper than what they see on the news
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Post by soupnazi on Aug 26, 2008 23:34:45 GMT -5
I hope I don't sound like a an armchair politico on this stuff, but for some reason this stuff just interests me.
My take on Hillary's speech tonight...
First off, they get Chelsea to introduce her mom, bring grandma into the equation, talk about the pride (and don't get me wrong, I think it is great that in the USA, we are at a point where we have/had a female presidential prospect)... but then (for me), it all melted down.
It just sounded like so much canned words and rhetoric from her. The head sheep leading the sheeple. Nothing really of substance, but hitting the high points just enough to get people to cheer.
I just hope that something of substance comes of the DNC, something more than "change". When the RNC starts up next week, I hope the same thing.
To make a change, to get past the past, we have to quit living in it. I want to hear a platform that doesn't bash on the Bush administration, doesn't slam Republican views, but says "Hey. This is the reality of what is going on today. And this is how we see the future. This is how we need to deal with issues right now, and this is how we plan the future." How difficult is that?
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Post by Phyxius on Aug 27, 2008 7:47:46 GMT -5
Unfortunately, all you're going to get next week is : "Noun, verb, 911/POW" Wanna bet?
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Post by soupnazi on Aug 27, 2008 8:50:08 GMT -5
Oh I have no doubt that you are right. McCain, or his campaign, or whatever, tend to pound that POW issue alot. I respect him and his service, and his sacrifice, but I think there is a fine line between showing it as an example, and using it as a pawn.
So more on last night's speech, and I guess on the whole convention in general. Watching it on NBC is like watching the olympics. I keep expecting the commentator(s) to pass out in orgasmic bliss talking about Obama, and Hillary, and the DNC in general. Every camera angle, candid shot, seems scripted to bring out emotion, and it all just seems so cliche.
Bill Clinton is up there in the stands with a crocodile tear in his eye, mumbling "I love you" over and over again, and just looking pathetic. Joe Biden is probably going to do the same damn thing, he already did the TV tears when speaking in Delaware yesterday.
Yuck. I feel like I need a shower after watching this crap!
And tomorrow, I half expect Obama to ride into Invesco field on a donkey with people waving palm fronds around him. 80,000 people in simultaneous afterglow.
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Aug 27, 2008 9:26:09 GMT -5
I'd really worry if something like that happened..............
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Post by soupnazi on Aug 27, 2008 23:01:37 GMT -5
I'd really worry if something like that happened.............. Ha ha, yeah, I would as well! So, tonight, the DNC brought out the big guns and seem to have FINALLY spoken to the issues, at least on the surface. I am admittedly more of a republican than anything, but lean more toward independent views. I have to admit though, that Bill Clinton did an excellent job in his speech. He touched on alot of issues and brought up really good points. I missed John Kerry's speech. But Joe Biden came out and I thought, had a very good speech, started revealing the platform, and at least for me, made me think. However...I thought the "special guest" bit was over the top. Who the heck would anybody have thought it would have been??? Barack has been in town since this morning, I doubt he was hanging out at the local brewpub and watching the proceedings! Anyway, tomorrow should just be nuts.
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Post by soupnazi on Aug 29, 2008 10:22:35 GMT -5
OK. I concede that Obama's speech last night was very presidential, he touched on issues, and laid out how he plans to run his campaign. I was actually impressed.
I could have done without the "regular people" getting up and talking, and with Stevie Wonder changing words to "Obama" in his song, but whatever.
But here's my position this morning. I will likely end up voting for that ticket, because of McCain's pick this morning. obama's VP is a 36 year veteran of Congress, and is the senate foreign relations leader. McCain's pick is a state governor for less than two years, who was a small town mayor before that.
When we need to be conscious of the entire world around us, fixing our economy and dealing with hard issues, it probably isn't a good idea to take that lightly, given your opponent's experience.
It is actually unbelievable. i guess we will see what the next 67 days have in store.
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Post by lumpy on Sept 1, 2008 20:56:21 GMT -5
I was rather disappointed with the Biden VP nod. "Change I can believe in?" Really!?!?
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Post by soupnazi on Sept 3, 2008 23:22:35 GMT -5
So I have had a few days to watch and listen to what has been going on, and I think I may have been too hasty. I think I may have had a knee jerk reaction to McCain's choice of VP. I am not going to go all "Freckles" about this and choose the "hottie" ticket...but I have tried to step back and look at both platforms. I think that Obama made a great choice with Biden, for the reasons I already laid out. Initially, I said that McCain was basically stupid for making his choice, but the more I look at it, Sarah Palin was a pretty shrewd choice. Obama has beat the "change" drum like crazy. And then picked a running mate that was "more of the same". McCain went WAY out of the way to pick someone that was not even anywhere close to Washington politics...and if that doesn't shout change, I guess I really don't know what does. There is a certain uncertainty with the McCain/Palin ticket...but a certain draw to it as well. Likewise, with the Obama/Biden ticket, you want to believe that they can deliver everything that they eloquently lay out. I hope that all of us, myself included, don't get swayed by commercials and marketing. Take a look at everything from both parties and make the right choice. Of course, there are always boobers.
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