im not really sure what the laws are in other states, but here in virginia, unless you are 18 you have to have your parents permission to have an abortion.
there are far and away lots of reasons to have an abortion, what may seem like a selfish reason to you, really means something to another person.
look at Caylee Anthony. Her mother DID NOT want to have her. Her own mother wouldnt let her have an abortion, or give it up for adoption. so we have a 3 year old dead little girl, who had feelings, and a personality, etc.
and that may seem cold to some people to point that out. everyone is different, we all have different standards, different ways to live our own lives. try, for once in your life to look at the person, and their circumstances and not just their actions.
JC, I have to disagree. Circumstances aren't a reason to justify the killing of an unborn child. I have known three people in my adult life that have had abortions. All of them either couldn't afford to have a child at the time, didn't want a child with the person they had slept with, or in general, just didn't want kids.
All of those are "reasons" or "circumstances". I don't hate the people for what they did...but the fact is...they killed a living being. Some people call it a zygote, or a fetus...but the fact is, it is a baby. There is no denying that.
Using Caylee isn't right at all. Much as a baby in the womb is innocent, so was Caylee. She had a batshit crazy mother. Why don't we kill the mother? Bullet to the head. One less person sucking air, and I think we all know that she is a waste of breath.
Sad thing is, we give rights and freedoms to that piece of shit, and assume innocence before guilt, even though everything points to her killing her child.
But...if she had killed her in the womb...it would have been her "choice".
It just doesn't make sense.
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Circumstances aren't a reason to justify the killing of an unborn child.
A quote involving stones and glass houses comes to mind. It's a rare individual who can say they ALWAYS hold strong to their principles when they're being assailed by circumstances. Can you say that? If you can, perhaps it's because you've never been subject to that particular set of circumstances.
Have you ever spoken to a woman who has been through this and attempted to understand her reasoning without passing moral judgment beforehand? It's popular among "pro-lifers" to propagate an image of women who have had abortions as callous and uncaring. The women I know who have made that decision only did so after much soul-searching, and I can't think of a single one who isn't haunted by the decision. It's a fallacy to assume these women don't understand exactly what it is they're doing.
You're entitled to your moral beliefs, as are we all. But be very careful about projecting those beliefs onto others until you've walked a mile in their shoes.
All growth is a leap in the dark, a spontaneous unpremeditated act without the benefit of experience. -Henry Miller
As a matter of fact JimB, as I said, I have known three women that have had abortions. They talked extensively with me about their respective situations, their respective decisions. And not only them, but their SO as well. Neither of the men that shared their thoughts with me wanted them to have their abortions, and it was extremely difficult for them as well. One of them said "I will never know what my kid's smile looks like, or what they would become".
I am not passing "moral judgement beforehand" as you put it. I am simply saying that no matter if you call it a zygote or a fetus, rather than a baby, or if you call it a choice or a medical procedure, the fact of the matter is, it is a child, and it is being killed. And the "procedure" is used far too often.
It's popular among "pro-lifers" to propagate an image of women who have had abortions as callous and uncaring. The women I know who have made that decision only did so after much soul-searching, and I can't think of a single one who isn't haunted by the decision. It's a fallacy to assume these women don't understand exactly what it is they're doing.
Actually, and I again say this as an ardent pro-choicer, the overwhelming pro-life line about women who have abortions is that they hurt themselves in addition to "killing their babies," not that they are callous and uncaring.
And you support that very claim: "I can't think of a single one who isn't haunted by the decision."
And I don't think this is about throwing stones and glass houses, either. If you believe that abortion is murder, then the circumstances of the pregnant woman, no matter how tragic, simply cannot justify murder. Pro-lifers are against abortion to save the life of the baby, as they see it, not to punish the woman.
I was a clinic defender in college, have given money to pro-choice groups, and always have and always will believe in the legal right to an abortion.
I just don't think that misrepresenting the mainstream pro-life viewpoint (see also my previous post) is helpful to anyone.
Last Edit: Feb 20, 2009 12:23:50 GMT -5 by shattered