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Post by goods on Jan 29, 2008 11:58:09 GMT -5
erf not to bash you too much more BUT you say that I haven't given specific knowledge... then you say you didn't even read the links? I wanted personal anecdotal info, not science. I'm not interested in studies that attempt explain behavior after the fact. I do not have much faith in the psychological profession. I would tend to give more weight to a mother or father's experience than to a study by some PhD's and grad students. Well the links I gave you were more along the lines of Psychologists, Councilors that have been seeing thousands of "real" families for decades and their opinions based on that experience..... Of course, apparently my own opinion, based on my own experience seemed to carry very little weight also...
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Post by jules on Jan 29, 2008 11:58:19 GMT -5
JC, that's how we PC liberals lure you over to the dark side.
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Post by wizer on Jan 29, 2008 12:00:45 GMT -5
On a related note, showering with children should be discontinued by the age of 18, which is considered adulthood. I think that is when it become legal, doc. Yes, but that law doesn't apply to blood relatives (except of course in the South)
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Post by cdngurl on Jan 29, 2008 12:05:49 GMT -5
Well the links I gave you were more along the lines of Psychologists, Councilors that have been seeing thousands of "real" families for decades and their opinions based on that experience..... Of course, apparently my own opinion, based on my own experience seemed to carry very little weight also... Goods... maybe just consider this. The groups of families they see are in counseling for a reason right? It is opinions based on a non-random sample. Likely troubled families. Opinions are opinions, and these views can be most certainly true for SOME families - but not all. As many have said, we can all find links to support our own views. With Pyschology, we need to be careful and at the very least, question what we read... just saying.
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Post by Dave on Jan 29, 2008 12:07:35 GMT -5
again, goods, i am not interested in people who has "seen" real families. I want to hear from people who live in real families.
I don't discount yuor opinion, or you. I simply disagree with it at this point in time. Now if you told me about your own habits and outcomes then I am more than interested. Do YOU see where I am coming from here?
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Post by goods on Jan 29, 2008 12:12:22 GMT -5
again, goods, i am not interested in people who has "seen" real families. I want to hear from people who live in real families. I don't discount yuor opinion, or you. I simply disagree with it at this point in time. Now if you told me about your own habits and outcomes then I am more than interested. Do YOU see where I am coming from here? I am now banging my head on my desk! Did you miss this?!!!! Well I am not doctor... my step-dad is a RN, PhD Psychologist with a few more degrees that deals with school children. He actually is on contract to the three largest school systems in the area. My mom is a RN who worked in Labor/Delivery and was a HS School nurse. I have a extremely bright, centered, confident, independent 16 year old son. Who was 2 when I divorced his mother and spent 90% of the time with me as the custodial parent. I have/had a 12 year old step-daughter who I basically helped raise since she was 4. I have three younger sisters and one brother, three of which I helped raise as I was around 14 when the first was born. All of which are amazing successful college grads, (except for the youngest who grads this spring). All were raised to be independent, free thinking, loving, confident adults. But what the fuck would I know. JESUS H CHRIST!
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Post by goods on Jan 29, 2008 12:14:43 GMT -5
I guess I should have added... from the third month of my son's life he was in his own bed and own room. Same with my siblings EXCEPT my two youngest sisters shared a room but not a bed. better?
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Post by wizer on Jan 29, 2008 12:15:13 GMT -5
Goods, you have raised succesful children. You have expressed your opinion that not sleeping with them after toddler age is what you feel is best.
That's great. It doesn't mean it's right for everyone.
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Post by Dave on Jan 29, 2008 12:17:21 GMT -5
and it probably could have been done in a single post, but thanks for your help just the same.
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Post by goods on Jan 29, 2008 12:18:08 GMT -5
Again... I thought he wanted opinions.
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Post by lumpy on Jan 29, 2008 12:18:23 GMT -5
again, goods, i am not interested in people who has "seen" real families. I want to hear from people who live in real families. I don't discount yuor opinion, or you. I simply disagree with it at this point in time. Now if you told me about your own habits and outcomes then I am more than interested. Do YOU see where I am coming from here? I am now banging my head on my desk! Did you miss this?!!!! Well I am not doctor... my step-dad is a RN, PhD Psychologist with a few more degrees that deals with school children. He actually is on contract to the three largest school systems in the area. My mom is a RN who worked in Labor/Delivery and was a HS School nurse. I have a extremely bright, centered, confident, independent 16 year old son. Who was 2 when I divorced his mother and spent 90% of the time with me as the custodial parent. I have/had a 12 year old step-daughter who I basically helped raise since she was 4. I have three younger sisters and one brother, three of which I helped raise as I was around 14 when the first was born. All of which are amazing successful college grads, (except for the youngest who grads this spring). All were raised to be independent, free thinking, loving, confident adults. But what the fuck would I know. JESUS H CHRIST! Welcome to teh intranets! It's serious business.
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Post by wizer on Jan 29, 2008 12:27:06 GMT -5
Again... I thought he wanted opinions. Opinions are one thing. There's a difference between saying "I raised 3 healthy, succesful children, and they only slept in my bed until toddler age" as compared to "NO WAY should they be sleeping with you at the age of 8 and 10, that's fucked up and here is a bunch of quotes by professionals to prove my point!"
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Post by goods on Jan 29, 2008 12:29:10 GMT -5
Again... I thought he wanted opinions. Opinions are one thing. There's a difference between saying "I raised 3 healthy, succesful children, and they only slept in my bed until toddler age" as compared to "NO WAY should they be sleeping with you at the age of 8 and 10, that's fucked up and here is a bunch of quotes by professionals to prove my point!" Is that what I said? Hmmm I also said he should go ask fellow teachers and school councilors. Think he will? Why/Why not?
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Post by wizer on Jan 29, 2008 12:30:52 GMT -5
Is that what I said? Hmmm I also said he should go ask fellow teachers and school councilors. Think he will? Why/Why not? I exaggerated for effect. No, I don't think he will seek out opinions of others, because he wants to hear advice that agrees with his own position. That's what most people do on these forums, whether they realize it or not.
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Post by rocko on Jan 29, 2008 12:35:20 GMT -5
Is that what I said? Hmmm I also said he should go ask fellow teachers and school councilors. Think he will? Why/Why not? I exaggerated for effect. No, I don't think he will seek out opinions of others, because he wants to hear advice that agrees with his own position. That's what most people do on these forums, whether they realize it or not. and if you dont' just tell people what they want to hear and actually back up your opinion with a site that lists pros AND cons to what your opinion is your get bashed.
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