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Post by sheyd on Feb 15, 2008 15:22:48 GMT -5
By the time they put their bullets stored safely apart from their gun together with their gun - they would have been dead. A safe responsible person wouldn't have had time, Goods. And that is assuming they are carrying at the time, which hopefully they wouldn't be! Yuck, someone in my class carrying? If I knew that, I would leave. Period. Like everyone is saying, crazy affects everyone.
Shey
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Post by goods on Feb 15, 2008 15:23:10 GMT -5
I totally agree, Murdock - totally. That is why I am studying to be a social worker - even though I probably won't use the degree. There are better ways to handle things to prevent crimes, and I want to learn more and help if I can. Goods, I actually do NOT feel safer when there are armed guards drifting around campus. Not in the least. Shey Shey I think that would be a perfect career for you.
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Post by sheyd on Feb 15, 2008 15:25:06 GMT -5
Oh - AND saying that a good responsible person, even one who is trained, would be ABLE to shoot a person - particularly a shoot-to-kill. Honestly, most people aren't - except those really well trained, like active military. Luckily we almost all have this built in thing against it. Even well-trained military have trouble with it their first time (or even longer) in active combat.
Shey
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Post by murdock on Feb 15, 2008 15:27:16 GMT -5
My husband carries a gun at work. He has had police training. He has never had to use it and I think he is very happy about that. (he is in the Coast Guard)
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Post by murdock on Feb 15, 2008 15:27:51 GMT -5
I totally agree, Murdock - totally. That is why I am studying to be a social worker - even though I probably won't use the degree. There are better ways to handle things to prevent crimes, and I want to learn more and help if I can. Goods, I actually do NOT feel safer when there are armed guards drifting around campus. Not in the least. Shey Shey I think that would be a perfect career for you. I agree with GOODS!!! ;D
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Post by murdock on Feb 15, 2008 15:29:32 GMT -5
OMG - I just realized that my avitar is holding a gun!!! I am having a blonde moment.
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Post by goods on Feb 15, 2008 15:31:18 GMT -5
Oh - AND saying that a good responsible person, even one who is trained, would be ABLE to shoot a person - particularly a shoot-to-kill. Honestly, most people aren't - except those really well trained, like active military. Luckily we almost all have this built in thing against it. Even well-trained military have trouble with it their first time (or even longer) in active combat. Shey I think MOST humans would act in a situation to protect themselves and those around them.
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Post by goods on Feb 15, 2008 15:33:21 GMT -5
By the time they put their bullets stored safely apart from their gun together with their gun - they would have been dead. A safe responsible person wouldn't have had time, Goods. And that is assuming they are carrying at the time, which hopefully they wouldn't be! Yuck, someone in my class carrying? If I knew that, I would leave. Period. Like everyone is saying, crazy affects everyone. Shey I missed this Shey... Should we disarm the Police? Seriously it's not like they are stopping crimes anyway, just investigating. Why do they need guns? PLUS I am sure some cops ARE crazy.
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Post by murdock on Feb 15, 2008 15:35:16 GMT -5
By the time they put their bullets stored safely apart from their gun together with their gun - they would have been dead. A safe responsible person wouldn't have had time, Goods. And that is assuming they are carrying at the time, which hopefully they wouldn't be! Yuck, someone in my class carrying? If I knew that, I would leave. Period. Like everyone is saying, crazy affects everyone. Shey I missed this Shey... Should we disarm the Police? Seriously it's not like they are stopping crimes anyway, just investigating. Why do they need guns? PLUS I am sure some cops ARE crazy. All cops are fuckin crazy... and they are always eye-ballin assuming you are up to no good... they are jack asses. But, I guess if my only goal every day was to get home safely to my family>>>>> I'd be a fuckin prick too!
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Post by sheyd on Feb 15, 2008 15:35:47 GMT -5
You're telling me some cops are crazy! ;D My friend had one whip it out and piss on her tire when he was arresting her! At any rate... There WERE armed guards on that campus, and they were trained for just such an emergency, but by the time they arrived, the shooter was already dead. He did it all pretty quick. Are you saying there should have been someone in that lecture hall with a fully loaded, safety off gun in their hands?
Shey
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Post by goods on Feb 15, 2008 15:40:25 GMT -5
You're telling me some cops are crazy! ;D My friend had one whip it out and piss on her tire when he was arresting her! At any rate... There WERE armed guards on that campus, and they were trained for just such an emergency, but by the time they arrived, the shooter was already dead. He did it all pretty quick. Are you saying there should have been someone in that lecture hall with a fully loaded, safety off gun in their hands? Shey Kinda making my point. The armed guards, just like the cops are there after the fact. Yes if a student had a revolver in his or her backpack they could have saved lives.
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Post by sheyd on Feb 15, 2008 15:43:52 GMT -5
By the time they would have taken it out of their backpack and loaded it (or are you saying it should be in there loaded? ) the whole thing would have been over. Even if it WAS loaded, and in their hand, they would have had to be a crack shot (or right next to them) to hit the shooter in the chaos. That just isn't likely. Particularly not in the panic and scramble and unexpectedness. In fact, it is more likely they would have hit additional classmates. Shey
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Post by goods on Feb 15, 2008 15:54:00 GMT -5
By the time they would have taken it out of their backpack and loaded it (or are you saying it should be in there loaded? ) the whole thing would have been over. Even if it WAS loaded, and in their hand, they would have had to be a crack shot (or right next to them) to hit the shooter in the chaos. That just isn't likely. Particularly not in the panic and scramble and unexpectedness. In fact, it is more likely they would have hit additional classmates. Shey Yes if you are carrying a gun it is loaded... Yes they would have had time to get it out and stop the guy. "Crack shot" I would bet that any conceal carrying holder would be a better shot than the actually shooter who killed 5 wounded 21. And yes in that amount of time I think he could have been stopped. Perhaps saving a few lives. Shey are you saying it was better for the students to hide under the desks, play dead??? If this guy didn't kill himself when he did, no one and nothing was stopping him from killing everyone in that room. He did not run out of ammo, no security guards were there, no one had a gun. What happened at VT??? That jackass walked from classroom to classroom, again no one stopped him in the "gun free zone".
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Post by sheyd on Feb 15, 2008 16:41:41 GMT -5
The students WERE hiding under desks, scrambling for doors, screaming, falling over each other - not exactly prime aim and fire surroundings!
I don't care if they WERE a "better shooter" - they would have to be PERFECT - because unlike the one who was shooting basically randomly, someone trying to stop someone has to hit THEM and ONLY THEM. Ask the trained gunmen on this board how confident they would be about hitting a shooter in that chaos!
Shooters like the one in Illinois, or any attackers like that, have the element of surprise. They are READY, and completely willing. No one else there is prepared. Honestly, I would not feel safer with two people with guns out in that chaos than with one. If you were shot by a "friendly fire" it would hurt just as bad!
Not to mention all the time there ISN'T some crazed shooter in your classroom. I don't want some idiot carrying a loaded gun! That is where those "crimes of passion" come from! Including suicides. I think carrying a gun to a "safe place" - even if sometimes it isn't - is more dangerous than just taking your chances if something bad did happen. 99.9999999 etc. % of the time nothing does happen. If a bunch of exhausted, hung-over, heartbroken, stressed and depressed college students started carrying guns, I think the incidents are likely to go UP, not down. That is from someone who IS one of those students. School is tough enough at times, we don't need to have everyone carrying loaded guns to play with when they are at some of their worst moments! The argument in my class last night was bad enough - no way did I need to worry about loaded guns! (Or should I already be worried, geez, thanks!)
Shey
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Post by freckles on Feb 15, 2008 16:47:20 GMT -5
People who Kill and then Suicide
What happens after that ?
A Angel Grabs them by the Shoulder and Drags them Screaming to the Blast Furnace of Hell
Forever and Ever.
What happens to thier Victims ?
A Angel Comforts them and they are carried to God in Heaven to be Loved
Forever and Ever
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