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Post by Spike on Mar 13, 2008 13:29:20 GMT -5
I mean really. At what point do religious believes supercede the laws of the country you are in?? Case in point; Shiite, citizen of Canada, wants to change the helmet laws. His religion states he must wear a turban, the law states he must wear a helmet.
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Post by rocko on Mar 13, 2008 13:54:05 GMT -5
He should get a custom made helmet that will fit over his turban.
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Post by sheyd on Mar 13, 2008 14:25:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry for my ignorance... but could the turban go OVER the helmet?
Shey
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Post by freckles on Mar 13, 2008 14:59:39 GMT -5
I mean really. At what point do religious believes supercede the laws of the country you are in?? It depends When they start rounding People up and putting them to death in death camps and gas chambers Then my religious laws supercede the laws of that country
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Post by sheyd on Mar 13, 2008 15:02:25 GMT -5
Good answer, freck... especially in this case, where it is for the bikers safety, but if he kill himself accidentally, no one else will be harmed... The helmet only matters if he hits the pavement, and by then it is only HIS life in his hands...
Shey
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Post by freckles on Mar 13, 2008 15:07:08 GMT -5
Good answer, freck... especially in this case, where it is for the bikers safety, but if he kill himself accidentally, no one else will be harmed... The helmet only matters if he hits the pavement, and by then it is only HIS life in his hands... Shey Bikers who don't wear Helmets should sign the back of thier License so they can be Organ Donors Any Accident a Motorcycle has without a Helmet they are Dead They may as well be a Organ Donor they don't need the Brain It is Massed anyway in the wreck Please Please if You Ride Moterbikes and you dont wear a helment Please sign the Organ Doner card So at the Hospital they can Gut you like a FishAnd you can save about 20 other Peoples lives please just think about it
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Post by jules on Mar 13, 2008 15:18:02 GMT -5
Good answer, freck... especially in this case, where it is for the bikers safety, but if he kill himself accidentally, no one else will be harmed... The helmet only matters if he hits the pavement, and by then it is only HIS life in his hands... Shey Just to play devil's advocate, his actions can affect others' indirectly. For example, what if the biker doesn't have medical insurance? What if his injuries require extended treatment? What if this means that he won't be able to work to support his family? Then we, as taxpaying citizens, are indirectly funding his poor choice (via welfare and medicaid). Of course we already fund poor choices of many people, but this is a clear example of a case that could be prevented. I think the suggestion of a custom made helmet is an excellent one.
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Post by rocko on Mar 13, 2008 15:23:05 GMT -5
or when he hits someones car with his bike and it kills him bc of a head injury. That person will have to live with the fact that they "killed" someone even though it was his own fault.
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Post by Magalucia on Mar 13, 2008 16:31:52 GMT -5
Oh good, all is well with the world.
We had the hugthat civil war threads, I see a nice illegal immigration thread going, and I was concerned we were missing a religion thread, but here it is.
Phewww. All is as it should be.
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Post by Spike on Mar 14, 2008 14:19:01 GMT -5
Just trying to help, Mags!!
I have always <fingers crossed behind back> wore my helmet. And yes Freck, I am a donor!! When I hit a state that doesn't have a lid law, I will take mine off. Where it is required by law, I wear it. Just like my seat belt, and I really hate that damn thing. So, where do we draw the line? If you are too fat, you can have the airbag disarmed in your car, now if your religion says you must wear a turban, you don't need to wear a brain bucket........what's next???
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Post by sheyd on Mar 14, 2008 14:29:55 GMT -5
Spike, my love - you take your lid off near me and you won't need to take a spill, -I- will kill you!! You protect your pretty little head, love, or expect a beating! Shey
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Post by pennylane on Mar 14, 2008 14:30:27 GMT -5
Well said Spike. I couldn't agree more with your last post.
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Post by Spike on Mar 17, 2008 9:56:00 GMT -5
Well, other then Shey wanting to cause me bodily hurt, I think we can agree that it is ridiculous for a religion to supercede a law. At the risk of sounding, ahem, racist, this is also a religion, brought to this country, by someone one immigrated here because they didn't like their own country. So, now we have already changed a dangerous weapon law in Canada for them, now they want to change the lid law. I'm becoming very aware of what it is that spawns racism.
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Post by sheyd on Mar 17, 2008 10:00:22 GMT -5
I think laws should only supercede religion when they can harm "others". If it is self-harm... like the lid law - less sure about that. Although the point about survivor guilt is a good one... I think it is dangerous ground, either way.
Shey
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Post by Spike on Mar 17, 2008 10:10:56 GMT -5
I fully understand laws which govern our safety, albiet, I don't always agree. The helmet law, and seatbelt law, have indeed saved lives, that otherwise would have ended. In a democratic society, the majority rules, and there are more people for helmets and seatbelts, then against. I'm pretty sure there aren't as many men wearing turbans as there are advocates of the helmet law, but, when the Canadian government comes under pressure from these "groups", they have a tendency to fold. Wouldn't want to pick on a minority, sort of thing. How ironic, eh??
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