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Post by JimB on Jun 9, 2008 8:47:17 GMT -5
I have between 2 and 6 beers a night....Am I an alcoholic? Yes. Nothing you wrote proves you're not - it just justifies it. Know how you could convince me you're not? Have zero beers per night for a week, and have your wife vouch for the fact that it makes zero difference to you, emotionally or physically. (shrug) Ultimately, it doesn't matter - you're entitled to live your life the way you choose. Don't change on my account. I'm not trying to cast judgment here - just responding to your yes or no question.
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Post by JC on Jun 9, 2008 9:29:18 GMT -5
I have between 2 and 6 beers a night....Am I an alcoholic? Yes. Nothing you wrote proves you're not - it just justifies it. Know how you could convince me you're not? Have zero beers per night for a week, and have your wife vouch for the fact that it makes zero difference to you, emotionally or physically. (shrug) Ultimately, it doesn't matter - you're entitled to live your life the way you choose. Don't change on my account. I'm not trying to cast judgment here - just responding to your yes or no question. good point Jim... i wanted to respond to this thread with something similar, but my perpetual shitty mood makes me not so nice on subjects like this...
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Post by freckles on Jun 9, 2008 14:44:52 GMT -5
I think Women Prudes are sexy
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Post by freckles on Jun 20, 2008 14:19:48 GMT -5
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Post by Phyxius on Jun 20, 2008 15:39:45 GMT -5
good point Jim... i wanted to respond to this thread with something similar, but my perpetual shitty mood makes me not so nice on subjects like this... That's OK - your shitty mood has entertainment value too... Or, at least that's what I keep telling my ex. We don't aggravate you 'cause we like it - we aggravate you just to see that look on your face... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by freckles on Jun 20, 2008 19:07:27 GMT -5
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,369642,00.html This young Lady Killed Her own Mother while Driving Then She took off and Ran
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Post by freckles on Jun 20, 2008 21:36:58 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 27, 2008 22:02:04 GMT -5
I saw this on Yahoo Answers when someone asked
*How Can I get my Wife to Stop Drinking ?
I thight I would Post the Answer Here: (It reminds me of my ExWife)
(QUOTE) Your options are to stay with your eyes open, stay with your eyes shut or live a life that is not centered on alllllllll the many issues that will ERUPT due to your girlfriend's alcoholism. You truly cannot fix this. Staying or leaving, you will NEVER be able to fix this. I don't say that to challenge you or get your ire up, I tell you this because it is the stone truth. You can't fix her alcoholism any more than she'd be able to fix brain cancer. It is a disease that needs treatment by qualified individuals and that's the smallest part of the equation. The only chance she has of pulling out of this tailspin is to decide for herself to walk the very rough path of sobriety, something she is disinterested in doing or afraid of trying (and failing). Look ahead.....can you see yourself raising children with this woman? Would you really do that to a child? Assuming she didn't give said child a serious case of fetal alcoholism to begin with....Consider the economic impact of living with an alcoholic......at some point it's likely she'll have a hard time holding down a job. She'll spend a good deal of money on booze. She might think driving drunk sounds like a hoot someday. The cost of her healthcare from drunken falls, damaged liver, emergency room visits....pricey. And these are just a few things to consider.
I know from experience, very personal and long-term experience, how this plays out. I know that your world will get smaller and smaller as you struggle to protect her from herself, protect yourself from her, protect others from her and protect everyone from the truth. I know what it's like to make excuses for an addict/alcoholic and how you get used to telling small and sometimes not-so-small lies and how second nature it eventually becomes to live a gigantic life of illusion and suffering. The alcoholic will never love you as much as they love their bottle. They will never need you as much as they need their booze. They will never give as good as you give to them. They will never quit for you, for love, for any reason other than because they want to.
Her drinking will not be affected by whether you stay or leave. My very best advice is to get out now, save yourself. You can't save her. She won't let you.
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Post by sheyd on Jun 30, 2008 12:24:26 GMT -5
Freckles, that response was well thought out, complete (spell-checked) and generally good writing. When you write like that, you are so much more persuasive. Very good job.
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Post by freckles on Jun 30, 2008 12:29:51 GMT -5
I did Not write that
I thought it was good
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Post by freckles on Jun 30, 2008 14:14:41 GMT -5
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Post by shattered on Jun 30, 2008 14:48:40 GMT -5
Frecks,
For crying out loud, two or three drinks a day does not an alcoholic make.
When I was growing up, my parents shared a bottle of wine over dinner most evenings of the week. That's about two to three glasses each. No one was ever even so much as tipsy.
You know, I have noticed this over the years: Many Americans have a very strange relationship to alcohol -- they either avoid it like the plague, or they go overboard and can't attend a party or dinner without boozing it up.
*Of course* it's horrible when people are alcoholics. But that is so obvious, it's weird to bring it up. I mean, duh! Should we start posting "Murder is bad," "Kicking puppies is bad," etc. ?
My heart goes out to people who are addicted to any substance, and I wish them the strength to overcome their turmoil and addiction.
But in no way should that infringe on people's right to enjoy a glass, or several, of wine or beer, or cocktails, or whatever they choose. Not that it would even help the addicts.
True enjoyers of alcohol don't get drunk, btw. I love wine, beer, and cocktails, and I haven't been drunk since college.
Have you read about the history of wine and beer making? It's a true art form! And true enjoyers treat alcholic beverages as an art to be enjoyed, not as a way to get hammered.
Can we just have some balance?
shattered
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Post by freckles on Jun 30, 2008 14:54:13 GMT -5
Thats what I told my ExWife & other Family But they Drink the Liquer Store Dry and Attack everyone in Arms Reach I dont know how to get them to stop doing that maybe you do ?
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Post by shattered on Jun 30, 2008 15:00:59 GMT -5
No, Freckles, of course I don't know how to get complete strangers to stop their destructive behavior.
I am sorry you ended up involved in something like that. It sounds horrible.
But behavior like that has *nothing* in common with responsible drinking.
From everything you've posted in the past, your ex-wife just sounds like bad news in every way. If she is ever to find balance -- in drinking and other things in her life -- she'll have to get there on her own. There is clearly nothing you or anyone else can say or do to make her change.
Hugs to you.
Shattered
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Post by freckles on Jun 30, 2008 15:18:24 GMT -5
I used to Drink 2 Wine Coolers every Year
But, when you are married to a Alchoholic you dont Drink ANYTHING
Because it just gives them a excuse or justifies thier behavor in thier eyes
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