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Post by Mel (cherry) on Jul 4, 2008 10:29:55 GMT -5
Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees
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Post by genesplicer on Jul 4, 2008 11:47:38 GMT -5
Care to give stats on how many times that works out in favor of the legal gun owner? I mean, it sounds good, but how many times does it actually help? This stat would be dismally low, I'm sure. One stat I'd be interested in seeing is the number of people who purchase a handgun for home security who actually go through some sort of proper use training. I'm guessing that stat would be equally low, have to wonder if that would have any impact, or whether natural adrenaline surges would still get you shot most of the time.
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Post by blu on Jul 4, 2008 13:35:44 GMT -5
Yes and God knows nothing says home of the free like your nation' s capital city also having the highest violent crime rate!
More guns - brilliant!!!!
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Post by genesplicer on Jul 4, 2008 15:25:03 GMT -5
Yes and God know nothing says home of the free like your nation' s capital city also having the highest violent crime rate! More guns - brilliant!!!! I seriously doubt that the changes in gun laws would have much effect either way on the violent crime rate in DC. People intent on having weapons in the district have always had them. The truer test, IMO will be some of the urban redevelopment currently underway like the U St. Market and the SE / Anacostia development spurred by the new Nationals stadium and if the good mayor Fenty ever gets off his friggin ass, the United stadium at Poplar Point.
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Post by lumpy on Jul 6, 2008 16:31:18 GMT -5
Don't let em fool you, they have guns anyways. Would you rather be without one if it came down to protecting you and your family? Care to give stats on how many times that works out in favor of the legal gun owner? I mean, it sounds good, but how many times does it actually help? I know that this stat has been refuted by the NRA and other "right to bear arms" organizations, but I believe it to be pretty damn accurate... query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9507E6D91631F934A15756C0A9659C8B63 It just makes sense to me. You have a gun handy and you're likely to use it when depressed or pissed off. There are a lot of folks that just shouldn't have easy access to firearms.
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Post by sheyd on Jul 7, 2008 11:39:07 GMT -5
Watching the paper, all homicides in my town are from guns owned in the home. Most of them are owned legally - and many of them were used on the owner. Too many times it has been a domestic dispute, with children being the victims. Some of them have been drug deals gone bad - the latest (and the first homicide in Duluth this year) was someone who didn't want to pay for his marijuana, so he pistol whipped one guy, and shot the other as he struggled for control of the gun. If the supplier had had a gun, it wouldn't have gone any better, there probably just would have been two more people dead.
I live in redneck country - lots of people have guns in their homes. Lots of kids die every year from guns not stored properly, from accidents, from suicide from readily available weapons. A year or two ago a kid was shot in the face because a scared person thought the kid was someone crouching to shoot them. Having a gun would just escalate any conflict, not make anyone in it safe.
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Post by freckles on Jul 7, 2008 11:49:09 GMT -5
Drugies Kill each other because thier Brains have been Fried on Drugs
They are like Zombies with 95 percent of thier Brain is completly Dead
Have you seen those Movies where the Dead people try to eat the Living People ?
That is how Alcoholics/Drugies are
With or Without Guns they are like that
So Regular People need Guns to Protect themselves from them
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Post by freckles on Jul 7, 2008 11:57:39 GMT -5
P.S. Giving a Teenager a Gun is very Stuped
They usuly Kill someone in thier Family or a Friend
As far as I can find very very few teens have shot a criminal/burgler 1 in a Million
the other 999,000 were thier Brothers/Sisters/Fathers/Mothers and Friends that they shot - or themselves
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Post by sheyd on Jul 7, 2008 12:18:53 GMT -5
The key to that is that a teenager is smart enough to get ahold of other readily available guns in homes, Freckles. Unless the "grown-up" keeps the gun locked up and ammunition locked up separately, and keeps the key ON THEM - the teenager can get any parent's gun and do just that.
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Post by sheyd on Jul 7, 2008 12:27:43 GMT -5
And I guess my question is - if it is about self-defense, what about the other non-lethal forms that are actually more effective? Pepper spray comes to mind. If it is in your house - you are at close quarters... Thinking of that latest homicide in Duluth, if the supplier had had pepper spray, it would have been extremely effective - more so than a gun, which would have meant at least two bullets discharged, probably 3 men dead. Pepper spray would have effectively stopped the guy with the gun.
If you take a self-defense class, they tell you all the ways weapons can be used against you, and all the better ways to be prepared. I have never heard of a self-defense person advocating gun use.
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Post by freckles on Jul 7, 2008 12:29:26 GMT -5
The key to that is that a teenager is smart enough to get ahold of other readily available guns in homes, Freckles. Unless the "grown-up" keeps the gun locked up and ammunition locked up separately, and keeps the key ON THEM - the teenager can get any parent's gun and do just that. they still do it even then A LOT of guns you think are empty. They are empty. EXCEPT for that one bullet in the chamber. Take the amo clip out or empty the gun a lot of them have one in the chamber. I know someone this Lady when she was a teenager they were playing russian rullet with 1 bullet in a 6 shooter Her boyfriend spun the clinder of that handgun The very first time he pulled the trigger He lost I bet that was aful , Her sitting there next to her boyfriend and his brains and blood all over Her And him with 1/2 his head blown off Alcohol + Guns = Dead as Dead can be
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Post by freckles on Jul 7, 2008 12:34:39 GMT -5
Guns are Ok if you respect them as you respect a Rattle Snake
In my negbor hood I may have to get one someday
It is like *BOOM BOOM BOOM Music and Them Drinking all night
The BOOM BOOM Music has cut down sinse i called the Police that time
I keep a cell phone in my pocket and they know it
all they have to do is say 1 word to me that is bad
And I will have the Police at thier door
and they all have records petty criminals
So, I dont think they want me to do that.
If it gets much worse I may get a 12 gauge double barral shot gun
In Texas if they attack you on your property you can Kill them
They allready know that
So, i may not have to buy one
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Post by redskyatnight on Jul 7, 2008 12:52:12 GMT -5
Watching the paper, all homicides in my town are from guns owned in the home. Most of them are owned legally - and many of them were used on the owner. Too many times it has been a domestic dispute, with children being the victims. Some of them have been drug deals gone bad - the latest (and the first homicide in Duluth this year) was someone who didn't want to pay for his marijuana, so he pistol whipped one guy, and shot the other as he struggled for control of the gun. If the supplier had had a gun, it wouldn't have gone any better, there probably just would have been two more people dead. I live in redneck country - lots of people have guns in their homes. Lots of kids die every year from guns not stored properly, from accidents, from suicide from readily available weapons. A year or two ago a kid was shot in the face because a scared person thought the kid was someone crouching to shoot them. Having a gun would just escalate any conflict, not make anyone in it safe. Guns are here and we have to deal with them. Even if they ALL were illegal, there would still be guns here. Responsibility and respect for a guns power is key.
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Post by goods on Jul 7, 2008 13:31:29 GMT -5
For years I have been surprised by the fact that law after law is created, yet somehow criminals still seem to have guns.
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Post by lqdKaos on Jul 17, 2008 14:42:47 GMT -5
First let me say, I am a gun owner. I am not necessarily a gun lover. It took me years before I purchased one. I carry when I am out in the mountains hiking. Here in CO we have alot of wild animals and often times I am way out in the mountains.
But look at countries where it is illegal to own guns. Violent crime (maybe not gun related) still happens and it still is higher than it should be and in most cases, it is growing.
My girlfriend lived in a country where the citizens could not own guns. In fact probably fewer than 1% owned them even illegally. She said, there getting shot just was not a concern. Then one night we were talking and she brought up that there were often people that got into knife or machete fights and that she was almost mugged by a guy with a machete. And that killings were quite common and in some cases it was a nightly occurance in the city she was in.
Why dont we hear about it more? Because the anti-gun people dont want to point out the fact that if you take away one tool of violence, another will be used.
My point is that violent crime happens. It exists with or without guns. Take away guns, people will use knives, take away knives, people will use bats....
Guns, knives, bats, fists, they are merely the tools of the violent. But it is the person wielding the tool that has the power to do harm.
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