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Post by rocko on Feb 13, 2009 8:47:29 GMT -5
Freckles, do you really want someone who DOES NOT WANT a baby to bring a baby into this world? Chances are they WILL NOT give them up for adoption.
If abortion is made illegal again, women will STILL get abortions.
FYI: I am not PRO abortion...I am PRO CHOICE.
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Post by shattered on Feb 13, 2009 11:10:48 GMT -5
I say this as an ardent life-long pro-choicer:
The notion that women are pro-choice and men are pro-life is utterly unsupported by statistics.
There are always exceptions, but in the vast majority of cases, whether male or female, people's attitudes about abortion depend on whether or not they think abortion is murder or interferes unacceptably with the course of nature -- not on some evil conspiracy to keep women down.
Most opinion polls, I believe, show that MORE men than women are pro-choice. And please, my fellow pro-choicers out there, let's not make the mistake to assume that pro-choice men are necessarily deeply concerned with women's rights. There is often a much less noble motivation for men supporting abortion -- it's *convenient.*
Oh, and Freckles'... um...interesting take on things in general has nothing to do with FoxNews.
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Post by freckles on Feb 13, 2009 11:16:06 GMT -5
Freckles, do you really want someone who DOES NOT WANT a baby to bring a baby into this world? Chances are they WILL NOT give them up for adoption. If abortion is made illegal again, women will STILL get abortions. FYI: I am not PRO abortion...I am PRO CHOICE. Women who use Abortions AS a Conterceptive Instead of a Conterceptive It should be made Mandatorty that they Get thier Tubes Tied at the same time as the Abortion THAT Would go a long way to cutting down on 4000 a day Abortions |
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Post by jules on Feb 13, 2009 11:23:14 GMT -5
8% of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated.
Jones RK, Darroch JE and Henshaw SK, Contraceptive use among U.S. women having abortions in 2000–2001, Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2002, 34(6):294–303.
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Post by kittenhart on Feb 13, 2009 11:47:49 GMT -5
Freckles, do you really want someone who DOES NOT WANT a baby to bring a baby into this world? Chances are they WILL NOT give them up for adoption. If abortion is made illegal again, women will STILL get abortions. FYI: I am not PRO abortion...I am PRO CHOICE. Making a reproductive technology illegal does NOT make it go away...it only forces it underground and makes it more dangerous because it is less regulated and harder to access for the poor. Ever hear of a crochet needle abortion, Freckles? |
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Post by JimB on Feb 13, 2009 11:58:42 GMT -5
 Sure is fun arguing with it...  |
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Post by amola on Feb 13, 2009 13:01:26 GMT -5
Sure is fun arguing with it... ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! you took the words right out of my mouth.... |
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Post by rocko on Feb 13, 2009 16:12:31 GMT -5
8% of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated. Jones RK, Darroch JE and Henshaw SK, Contraceptive use among U.S. women having abortions in 2000–2001, Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, 2002, 34(6):294–303.I know in TN you can go to the health department and get BC based on your income. So basically it is free if you can't afford it. I don't understand why it is not more widely used. |
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Post by ionysis on Feb 15, 2009 1:45:29 GMT -5
"8% of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated."
I always wondered about that in broader terms.
*warning: generalisation coming in order to illustrate a point*
If educated, intelligent people who contribute most to society these days tend to use birth control and are having fewer or no children, and poor, uneducated and socially vampiric people are popping out welfare brats at a rate of knots doesn't that mean - like the reverse of selective breeding - that eventually we are going to end up with a world hugely dominated by stupid, socially useless reprobates?
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Post by Phyxius on Feb 16, 2009 14:27:41 GMT -5
"8% of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated." I always wondered about that in broader terms. *warning: generalisation coming in order to illustrate a point* If educated, intelligent people who contribute most to society these days tend to use birth control and are having fewer or no children, and poor, uneducated and socially vampiric people are popping out welfare brats at a rate of knots doesn't that mean - like the reverse of selective breeding - that eventually we are going to end up with a world hugely dominated by stupid, socially useless reprobates? Ummmm - look around...  |
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Post by kittenhart on Feb 16, 2009 22:37:06 GMT -5
"8% of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated." I always wondered about that in broader terms. *warning: generalisation coming in order to illustrate a point* If educated, intelligent people who contribute most to society these days tend to use birth control and are having fewer or no children, and poor, uneducated and socially vampiric people are popping out welfare brats at a rate of knots doesn't that mean - like the reverse of selective breeding - that eventually we are going to end up with a world hugely dominated by stupid, socially useless reprobates? Ummmm - look around... As a public educator working in the "hood", I have to say that the percentage of stupid, socially useless reprobates appears to be holding stable...at least in the relative short term from what I've observed....I'm sure you could find some oldsters who would disagree though and say that we are all slowly becoming dumber and more degenerate. Tough to determine whether that is actually true or if perhaps they are just old and crotchety. I'd be very interested to know the actual trend. (Read: maybe I should retire early?) |
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Post by jules on Feb 17, 2009 5:02:50 GMT -5
I'd be very interested to know the actual trend. (Read: maybe I should retire early?) The first thing I could think of that could be statistically measured to see if there really is an increase in a less educated population was high school graduation rate. I found this article interesting (but not too optimistic for the future of American society): www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/930"The decline in high school graduation since 1970 (for cohorts born after 1950) has flattened college attendance and completion rates as well as growth in the skill level of the U.S. workforce. To increase the skill levels of its future workforce, America needs to confront a large and growing dropout problem. The origins of this dropout problem have yet to be fully investigated. Evidence suggests a powerful role of the family in shaping educational and adult outcomes. A growing proportion of American children are being raised in disadvantaged families. This trend promises to reduce productivity and promote inequality in the America of tomorrow." (Of course Canadian rates were not studied for the purpose of this article, so no ammo for your retirement, khart!) |
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Post by freckles on Feb 18, 2009 14:22:00 GMT -5
8 Percent are Minorities
75 Percent are White Women
And a LOT of them are having Multiple Abortions
They would have to be
Because it says for EVERY Woman in the USA there is 1 Baby Aborted
So I think a LOT of Teens have Sex go to the School nurse who send them to the Abortion Clinic
And theier Parents never had a Clue that thier Sweet Little Girl has had not just 1 but many many abortions
Why not ?
Its Free, the Gov Pays for it
And they dont have to tell thier parents
A Lot of babys are Flushed down the Toliel
And if somehow it is Born Alive, the Dr Throws the Baby Crying in a Trash can
then it is thrown out with the Trash
4000 a day
One for every Woman alive in the USA
That is a Lot of Dead Babys
And the dont even Bury them
Just Flush them down the Toliet or out at the Dump Ground
Unbelivable
The NAZI's would be in awe
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Post by JC on Feb 19, 2009 14:48:10 GMT -5
im not really sure what the laws are in other states, but here in virginia, unless you are 18 you have to have your parents permission to have an abortion.
there are far and away lots of reasons to have an abortion, what may seem like a selfish reason to you, really means something to another person.
look at Caylee Anthony. Her mother DID NOT want to have her. Her own mother wouldnt let her have an abortion, or give it up for adoption. so we have a 3 year old dead little girl, who had feelings, and a personality, etc.
and that may seem cold to some people to point that out. everyone is different, we all have different standards, different ways to live our own lives. try, for once in your life to look at the person, and their circumstances and not just their actions.
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Post by c on Feb 19, 2009 16:35:30 GMT -5
"8% of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated." I always wondered about that in broader terms. *warning: generalisation coming in order to illustrate a point* If educated, intelligent people who contribute most to society these days tend to use birth control and are having fewer or no children, and poor, uneducated and socially vampiric people are popping out welfare brats at a rate of knots doesn't that mean - like the reverse of selective breeding - that eventually we are going to end up with a world hugely dominated by stupid, socially useless reprobates? We call that the republican base. See we need to have a larger pool of exploitable working poor to maintain the life style of the top 1% of the filthy rich. If everyone were educated and making a living wage who would do the manual labor? Who would scrub the toilets, pick the farmers vegetables, wash cars, take out our trash? Who would do the work that needs to get done, but no educated individual would subject themselves to? Let the mordern slaves propagate in numbers and keep them under a police presence to make sure the status of the class's maintain their peaceful co-existance. |
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