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Post by Phyxius on Jun 5, 2008 11:38:41 GMT -5
Which just goes to show that even corporate fools and soccer moms can eventually be taught. You just have to find the right motivator...
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Post by freckles on Jun 5, 2008 21:14:14 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 6, 2008 10:00:11 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 6, 2008 12:38:18 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 6, 2008 17:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Jun 6, 2008 17:47:47 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 7, 2008 17:31:24 GMT -5
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Post by Phoenixx on Jun 7, 2008 19:58:56 GMT -5
At the local petrol station: Diesel £1.35 per liter. Just did a quick rough conversion, that makes it $12.087 per gallon.
You're still doing pretty great, Frecks. ;D
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Post by freckles on Jun 8, 2008 9:25:14 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 11, 2008 17:25:29 GMT -5
I wonder why Democrat Politions Hate * We the People * so Bad they do this to us ? www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365627,00.html
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Post by sheyd on Jun 12, 2008 8:13:55 GMT -5
Did you read the whole article, Freckles? Drilling hasn't been successful - AND there is areas still available to drilling that hasn't been - so they KNOW drilling isn't the answer. EVEN IF they did the drilling in the ocean, it would be 7-10 years before useful oil would be available to gas pumps. I think this is one of those "look what we can't do because of democrats" things that just doesn't hold up. DRILLING ISN'T THE ANSWER.
And get used to it - because as soon as they have drained some more sources, they are going to realize just how limited the supply is and prices will SKYROCKET.
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Post by goods on Jun 12, 2008 8:17:25 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 12, 2008 8:50:58 GMT -5
Drilling will bring much much more Oil
+ Build more Refineries
+ Stop making *Gas* Hogs
+ Less Clynders = Better Gas Millage * Stop making V-8 's and V-6's
Only 4 Clinders, 3 , 2 , 1 's
Most people have Way to Big a Vehickle than they need
Have you seen all the Two/Three Ton Pic-ups that have NEVER hauled Anything ?
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Post by sheyd on Jun 12, 2008 9:02:55 GMT -5
I like the idea of stop making gas hogs. But still, oil is finite. I think that is the part that just blows my mind. Drill, take EVERY LAST DROP everywhere - and it will STILL run out! We need to switch away from this non-renewable, and as long as the focus is on drilling or just giving us more oil, that will never happen. Ethanol is more expensive? At least corn can be re-grown. Oil CAN'T. There is more oil, and probably eventually permission/pressure will make it that that oil WILL be taken everywhere possible (thereby ruining or possibly ruining other resources that can't be recovered - there is a REASON every president denies these measures - even Republican ones). So, when it is, you will buy a few more years, or lower the prices temporarily. 30 years US oil consumption from one site (at current rates, which are rising annually) - I will still be alive then. My kids will have young kids - that oil will be gone. What good did it do but delay the inevitable? Time to think smart, and into the future, not just my current pocketbook today. Drilling might delay the inevitable, but that is all it will do - and at what cost?
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Post by JimB on Jun 12, 2008 9:33:58 GMT -5
An excellent example of irresponsible journalism. Even putting aside the inexcusable glossing over of legitimate environmental concerns, she - with a straight face - uses the terms "oil shale" (proven repeatedly to be unviable) and "clean coal" (sorry, there ain't no such thing). Bottom line, as shey says, is we need to be devoting our resources towards finding viable RENEWABLE sources of energy. Running roughshod over our world to buy us a few more years in our doomed oil-based economy is unacceptable. It'll probably take some subsidizing, which is fine - the petroleum industry has benefited from immense subsidies for years. Besides, the rising cost of oil will make alternatives much more attractive. It's been a great run, with vast amounts of energy available cheaply for a long period of time. That run is coming to an end, and we need to prepare for the transition.
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