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Post by sheyd on Jun 25, 2008 10:10:49 GMT -5
Neither of those are remotely feasible at this time - although more research into them both would be worthwhile. Heck, research into ANYTHING that replaces drilling for oil is worthwhile! If it can be turning waste into something close enough to oil to be used as fuel - GREAT! Support those rather than drilling which is a futile and limited resource. It still doesn't make sense to go drilling for finite supplies of something.
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Post by sheyd on Jun 25, 2008 10:15:07 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 25, 2008 17:33:33 GMT -5
There is much more Ocean than land
There is a LOT of Oil under there
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Post by sheyd on Jun 26, 2008 9:56:28 GMT -5
However, a lot of what MIGHT be under there is unreachable - and there are risks to even that which we CAN reach. I consider those risks not worth the cost - do you think we should get every last drop of oil, regardless of what it does to the earth? Even if we do - it will still run out, you know.
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Jun 26, 2008 10:34:32 GMT -5
No but I can't see how the idea of easing the burden, while researching where we need to be is totally bad...............
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Post by goods on Jun 26, 2008 10:52:30 GMT -5
What most folks don't seem to understand.... what percentage of each barrel of oil actually goes to gasoline production and what else is produced from it. That the United States actually sits over more oil than the middle east and could start pumping it with little impact to the environment. That using oil and coal does not mean development of other energy sources will not continue. That C02 is actually a very VERY small part of the atmosphere and the amount that human activity actually adds to that is also very small. C02 is good for plant life. AND that recent scientific studies show that as temperatures rise, the level of C02 in the atmosphere goes up, not vice-versa.
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Post by sheyd on Jun 26, 2008 10:56:49 GMT -5
And that there are sites that oil companies already own but haven't started pumping yet... but still there is a press to give access to less accessible oil, or oil that poses serious environmental hazards. Often, not because they think it actually should be done, but to put pressure on the more likely places and on the people who have to oppose the ridiculous stuff. You want a yes on one thing - ask 100, that way you are likely to get the most reasonable request granted, and the person looks like an ass for saying no 99 times.
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Post by sheyd on Jun 26, 2008 11:18:18 GMT -5
That using oil and coal does not mean development of other energy sources will not continue. Actually, for a very long time no money was involved in research for oil replacement - and still, many people would rather put all the money into drilling than alternative sources. When people talk about how much oil there is left, and trying to ease our energy crisis by getting more oil, it detracts from looking into alternatives, even now, when it should be obvious the "age of oil" is coming to an end.
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Post by JimB on Jun 26, 2008 11:20:00 GMT -5
To cherry pick a bit.... That using oil and coal does not mean development of other energy sources will not continue. True. But isn't it interesting how stagnant that development was until the price of oil started skyrocketing? Oil has been kept artificially cheap for too long, and as a result, the development of alternative energy sources is way behind the curve. Not sure what you're getting at with all the generalizations to the effect of trying to "debunk" global climate change. It's a separate argument, although it provides another excellent reason to explore lower-impact alternative energy sources. (And come on, goods, I know you can come up with better than "CO2 is good for plants." Sheesh. )
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Post by beren on Jun 26, 2008 13:52:17 GMT -5
I find myself wondering if OPEC has shot itself in the foot by letting oil prices get so high. The US has vast reserves of oil shale that isn't economically viable to convert into crude until the price gets over a certain level ($70-$95/barrel). However, once the infrastructure has been built, the price will drop over time to about half of that. All we've needed in order to get the ball rolling is the incentive of high oil prices; soon we'll be swimming in our own oil, and OPEC will only be able to blame itself for forcing us to look for alternatives. I'm not saying we don't need to look for renewable energy sources. I'm just saying that I don't think the oil crisis is coming to a head quite yet. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_shale_economics
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Post by freckles on Jun 26, 2008 19:57:17 GMT -5
They should stop making 8 clinder moters for Cars & Pickups
and only allow Small 6 Clinders (No Large 6 Clinders)
with 4 Clinder and Smaller the Norm
I have seen some 3 Clinders Advertised
2 Clinder Cars are Best
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Post by freckles on Jun 26, 2008 19:59:28 GMT -5
They may have to bring back 55 Mph Speed Limit to save Gas
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Post by goods on Jun 27, 2008 7:55:16 GMT -5
You know there is a great cheap, environmentally friendly, safe, clean energy source out there now. It's Nuclear. Start building more Nuke Power Plants and you can run all the electric cars, lawn mowers, vibrators you want. AND if the French aren't afraid of it, why are we?
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Post by freckles on Jun 27, 2008 21:08:41 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jun 30, 2008 9:14:24 GMT -5
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