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Post by Mel (cherry) on Apr 18, 2008 15:23:45 GMT -5
But it isn't incorrect. It DOES happen, and a LOT of people don't know that it does either. And yes Phyx I like living dangerously ;D
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Apr 18, 2008 15:30:14 GMT -5
Let me qualify that last statement by saying I have seen it fail the other direction as well. Meaning you CAN'T take the kids away when you should........
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Post by sheyd on Apr 18, 2008 16:03:17 GMT -5
Yes, it happens, but as a stereotype it is most certainly incorrect. Some men DO treat little girls like wives. Does that mean it is a correct stereotype? That is exactly what my problem with it is. Because bad things happen, it is assumed to be bad, in general. Perpetuating that misguiding and damaging stereotype leads to the distrust and lack of cooperation that causes even worse problems.
I am also QUITE sure that people are aware of the bad things that happen - both the kids that weren't protected and the parents who lose kids even though they shouldn't have.
Shey
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Post by freckles on Apr 18, 2008 16:24:57 GMT -5
When that child is 18 and runs back to Her Mom
How can the State repay those years ripped from that family ?
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Apr 19, 2008 8:18:32 GMT -5
Things become stereotypes when they happen more than once correct?
Soooo maybe there is an actual reason behind the stereotype eh?
And before you get your knickers in a knot again......I know there are plenty of good people out there in the line of work but there are plenty of bad too.
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Post by sheyd on Apr 19, 2008 10:07:31 GMT -5
Soo.... there are LOTS of men who rape their little girls (hence one of the reasons for child protective services) - so that means there is a reason for Freckles' stereotype, right? Do you not realize that that is EXACTLY why there is a problem with saying it is ok to propogate those hate stereotypes? You had a problem with Freck's saying that man will treat her like a wife, but no problem saying there is a REASON for stereotyping social workers and child protective services?
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Apr 19, 2008 10:11:47 GMT -5
And yet you seem to refuse to acknowledge that there is a valid reason why there is a stereotype. Im not saying it is right or wrong but there is a basis as to why it exists.
You forget I've seen it up close and personal for most all of my life in one way or another.
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Post by sheyd on Apr 19, 2008 10:17:01 GMT -5
No, I don't forget at all - and as I showed, I too have had lots of experiences, from all ends - good, bad, and everything in between. Just because you have had experiences doesn't mean you can generalize that that is true of all experiences - at least with any accuracy.
As I pointed out with the Freckles example - just because bad things DO happen, and I have in no way denied that they do - that does NOT make it acceptable to foster negative stereotypes. Never have I denied bad things have happened - nor would I - and there are many reasons for that - which I have also gone in to - but HOW does that make it acceptable to foster negativity and negative stereotypes. That isn't denial of negative things happening.
There is a VERY valid reason for Freck's stereotype. Shall we say it is ok for him to make his comment?
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Apr 19, 2008 10:32:33 GMT -5
No you are right................denial and excuses are a MUCH better way.
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Post by jules on Apr 19, 2008 12:01:53 GMT -5
i don't think that there is ever truly a valid reason for a stereotype. stereotypes do far more harm than good.
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Post by kittenhart on Apr 19, 2008 12:28:23 GMT -5
No system is perfect - but that isn't an excuse - it is a truth.... The injustices affect us all - but not having the system in place would be worse. Shey Shey, honey....I so know your exasperation. Just keep on doing your very best each day and repeating to yourself "It's not the critics who count...." Hugs
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Apr 19, 2008 12:46:11 GMT -5
Hey all I am saying is how about instead of qualifying shit all the time we start saying...........yeah you are right, this happens more than it should, lets do something.
But instead no matter what the topic I keep hearing excuses, qualifications and explanations.
Besides that all, I am NOT the one that is doing anything here. Im not trying to exasperate Shey or piss anyone off, Im also not trying to say that stereotypes are right. Fact is they exist for a reason. Fact is this shit does happen and the fact is that the first response to this was a pissed off rant about how stories like this give social work a bad name. Well I say GOOD!! Let them come out on both sides.
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Post by freckles on Apr 19, 2008 18:12:55 GMT -5
On Dateline or 60 minutes some years ago they had on there a Story like this
At this small Town somewhere
Everytime someone called CPS they had a system take the child no matter what
Go through hoops
Place them ALL up for adaption unless someone with money raised hell
Everyone that they took thier kids thought they were the ONLY one that that happened to That it was a fluke of circumstance.
Then they figured out that the *State* would give CPS $1000.00 for every Kid that they Ripped from a family and Adopted out
So after Dateline/60 minutes got through with them, All of them were arrested/sued and they were having to give all the kids back to thier familes
This was only found out after a couple of families got together and started looking at what CPS was doing in that town.
They had to call in the Big Guns
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Post by Phyxius on Apr 19, 2008 18:38:00 GMT -5
Freck - I worked for CPS in Texas. That definitely AIN'T the case here. Remember the kids in Houston and Dallas that died after being left in cars during the summer a few years ago? Remember all the screaming about why didn't CPS do something sooner? Remember the 200% increase in money allocated for investigative caseworkers that the Legislature approved? Remember the tightening of the standards? No? People, I could give you nightmares if I told you what I saw during my tenure there. God knows I still have them two years after I left there. There are no good answers, and yes, there are certainly bad apples in EVERY agency. But, the VAST majority of these workers are decent, overworked, underpaid and underappreciated. Nevertheless, they remain TRUE BELIEVERS in what they do. The CPS workers are in a no-win position. Either they're too quick to remove a child or too slow. Having worked in that agency, my answer is to say FUCK public opinion - let the professionals do their jobs...
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Post by freckles on Apr 19, 2008 18:41:52 GMT -5
It was not Texas I dont rember where But, it was not Texas
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