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Post by freckles on Jul 14, 2008 12:46:29 GMT -5
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Post by sheyd on Jul 14, 2008 13:14:31 GMT -5
Only if they are total idiots. One can hope in a group that large, enough people have common sense. Hope, at least. Nice way to take the heat of McCain so Bush is the bad guy who is allowing something stupid to appease the gas-price-scared masses.
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Jul 14, 2008 13:29:30 GMT -5
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Post by freckles on Jul 16, 2008 21:34:23 GMT -5
It's the Democrats fault that we dont have enough Gas
It would be 75 Cents a Gallon of gas
IF
They were Drilling Offshore more and at those other places Democrats are Stoping them !
Democrats are Making Us Pay at the Gas Pump !
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Post by JimB on Jul 17, 2008 8:09:46 GMT -5
It would be 75 Cents a Gallon of gas IF They were Drilling Offshore more and at those other places ! Um, no.
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Post by rocko on Jul 17, 2008 8:27:22 GMT -5
Freckles, you are looking at the small short term picture.
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Post by lqdKaos on Jul 17, 2008 10:29:20 GMT -5
Freckles, you are looking at the small short term picture. I cant believe that I am on Freck's side on this. But: Yes, this is a short term bandaid for a long term problem. However, we need a short term fix to buy us time to work on the long term. Done right, this could work. Sure, we will not likely see results for 5 years, but think of where gas prices will be in 5 years if we dont start doing something now. Perhaps our own production will help keep the market value of oil steady. I don't know. But at the same time, the US does not have the public transportation infrastructure YET to support people using it daily to commute. We need time to build it. The state and local governments need money to finish projects and start new ones. But if our economy slows more and people are out of work, or cant afford to drive to work, there will be no money to improve the infrastructure. So, I say start drilling, lets improve things in the short term and buy us some time to come up with long term solutions. Lets face it, long term solutions take TIME and money. I would agree that drilling would be bad, IF we did not also start improving our infrastructure, improving hybrid and alternate energy vehicles, increasing our use of renewable resources, etc... We (as a country) need to start on both fronts. Lower our dependency on foreign oil AND lower our dependency on fossil fuels in general. But as I said above, we need a bandaid to stop the bleeding before any real progress can be made. (Just my opinion)...
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Jul 17, 2008 10:45:55 GMT -5
Freckles, you are looking at the small short term picture. I cant believe that I am on Freck's side on this. But: Yes, this is a short term bandaid for a long term problem. However, we need a short term fix to buy us time to work on the long term. Done right, this could work........... So, I say start drilling, lets improve things in the short term and buy us some time to come up with long term solutions. Lets face it, long term solutions take TIME and money. OMG...............can it be, I might have to say that I agree with kaos
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Post by JimB on Jul 17, 2008 11:06:32 GMT -5
OK, but you can achieve the same results at a substantially lower cost by opening up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
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Post by Mel (cherry) on Jul 17, 2008 11:19:04 GMT -5
Whatever way it is accomplished, it can't be a "cold turkey" kind of thing. That puts too heavy of a burden on those that are living paycheck to paycheck. It needs to be a responsible easing of the burden and then the serious exploration of options. Like has been stated before, it simply isn't a neverending supply.....
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Post by rocko on Jul 17, 2008 11:53:25 GMT -5
I can totally accept getting more oil to lower prices for the short term so that we have time to make alternate arrangements, but I don't think that is what Frecks is talking about.
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Post by JimB on Jul 17, 2008 12:52:31 GMT -5
I could study Frecks' post for years without knowing what he's talking about.
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Post by lqdKaos on Jul 17, 2008 13:41:55 GMT -5
OK, but you can achieve the same results at a substantially lower cost by opening up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Agreed, but why not open some drilling areas so that we do not deplete our backup supplies. That is kind of like saying, "Dont plant a garden when you can just get your veggies out of the pantry" Agreed. That was my point exactly. Do something to help in the short term while we figure out a sustainable future. But we do need commitment to that goal.
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Post by freckles on Jul 17, 2008 14:02:56 GMT -5
I thought of something
When they Cut Trees down for Timber they make them Plant New Little Tree Sprouts
When they Pump Oil
They should Pump Sewage etc back down there
So It can Turn into Oil
So it would be Renewing the Oil
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Post by rocko on Jul 17, 2008 14:04:33 GMT -5
Someone cuff him upside his head.
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