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Post by jules on Jan 22, 2008 13:33:42 GMT -5
Just a thought -- rather than criticizing others for their personal choices, perhaps that energy might be better spent doing something productive to improve society.
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Post by Dave on Jan 22, 2008 13:53:49 GMT -5
because he might actually be successful - then what would he complain about?
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Post by freckles on Jan 22, 2008 15:06:41 GMT -5
I would bet that MOST Mom's would much rather be home spending time with their children. The idea that they are just dumping them off so they can go out to make enough money to buy a plasma t.v. is just ludicrous. Husbands should Support thier Wives So Women can stay home
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Post by blazinheart on Jan 22, 2008 15:12:07 GMT -5
Look ya'll, I realize i'm in the minority here. I realize that most of my fellow American citizens are indebt, overweight, unhealthy, materialistic, over-worked, and are under a lot of pressure due to becoming slaves of the capitalist system. I realize that i'm not like most people in this country.
I also realize that there are two types of Americans; those who have travelled abroad, and those who haven't. Americans who haven't travelled abroad are simply ignorant about so many things. They have no idea of what really goes on in foreign countries such as India, China, Russia, Africa, Europe....where most of the humans in this world live. These Americans can only speculate as to what is best for humans, they don't really know. Americans who have never travelled abroad have very narrow perspectives about life, freedom, family, wealth, and poverty because they've only experienced a very small dose of what's really out there. These Americans are dependent upon their government and corporate media for information. lol.
I love my country and i'm proud to be an American, but I love it much less and am far less proud of what it's become. The country that used to stand for freedom now stands for the almighty dollar. Money is what makes this country tick. That's why you see the fed and the government rushing to save our dying economy by spending more money they don't have.
We don't have time for family now, we have to hustle and make money. We don't have time to build relationships now, we have to earn that dough so we can go buy that stuff that is so important. We don't have time for community, we don't have time to relate to our fellow humans, we don't have time to care about others. And this is why i'm not so proud of my country anymore. Because my fellow citizens have become a bunch of sheep that don't have time for what's important.
We dump our parents into nursing homes, we dump our little children into daycare. And why? For money. So we can go get paid. While that little 3 year old cries for his mommy, she's off getting paid, because getting paid is what's most important in this country. Sad. Not the America that I want my friends abroad to see, and an America that I am becoming less and less interested in living in.
I don't want America's influence to continue spreading throughout the world. I don't want people to start doing what we do. I don't want more mothers dropping their kids off at daycare. I don't want to see more big box stores pop up in Africa and Asia so that corporations can get those people addicted to their crap like we Americans are. I don't want to see foreign countries build up so much industrial infrastructure and corporate influence that it chokes the life out of people the way it has in this country.
And you folks that are reading this are probably wondering what the hell i'm talking about. You would wonder because all you know is America, you don't know anything else. You lack perspective.
So, I have said my part, ya'll know how I feel about the whole deal. I don't believe that just because the majority of my ill-informed fellow citizens think one way, I must follow in step. I will remain true to what I believe. You can now proceed with the attacks and name calling, which, like always, only proves my point about ignorance.
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Post by jules on Jan 22, 2008 15:25:24 GMT -5
And you folks that are reading this are probably wondering what the hell i'm talking about. You would wonder because all you know is America, you don't know anything else. You lack perspective. That actually made me laugh out loud. Because I'd wager that I'm at least as well traveled as you are, blazin. And I still disagree with your rants. Gosh it sure would be nice to see that passion put towards something productive.
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Post by blazinheart on Jan 22, 2008 15:30:57 GMT -5
Gosh it sure would be nice to see that passion put towards something productive. Right, because standing up and representing what you believe is useless and unproductive. Nice attitude jules. Time to go rejoin the rest of the sheep. And just so you know jules, I can tell that you're well travelled, it shows in your practicality and intelligence. It's just that we differ in regards to morals. There are some things that I am perfectly willing to compromise on, and there are others of which I absolutely refuse. The things I won't compromise on are the things that I believe greatly affect the human race.
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Post by cdngurl on Jan 22, 2008 15:32:14 GMT -5
Woa ... blazin, I happen to be someone who on some level agrees with you. Westernized culture is hugely materialistic, and we have most certainly paid the price for it in many ways. I find it amazing how we who have so much can be so miserable, yet people in countries who have so little can be satisfied and at peace. A huge part of it is because yes - we have been fed a lie that we need "stuff" to be happy. so ... flame off a little k? (though I'm sure you are feeling attacked) The fact is though, many moms who are dropping off their kids at day care are a product of our society - the result, not the cause. Would it not be great if rent and food were affordable for a single income family? Prices of basic living are climbing beyond what families bring in. Now put those costs on to a single parent (male or female) on social assistance. Milk here is $5.99 for 4 litres. Rent is $800 on average. Plus heat and electricity ($150?). A bus pass is $75.00. Social assistance here is maybe $1,200.00 if you have a child... maybe. So a single person can have a roof, food, and can get to the store. God forbid they want a telephone to keep in touch with others.. I'm curious to know how you support yourself. Do you work? Do you drive a vehicle? What if you were a single father? Would you yourself stop working and go on social assistance? What if you had NO savings? As so many of us have said, we are products of this f*cked up society, doing the best we can for our families. We don't drop off our kids because we want to. Hell, I'd love to have been a stay at home mom. It simply isn't an option.
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Post by lumpy on Jan 22, 2008 15:33:58 GMT -5
I also realize that there are two types of Americans; those who have travelled abroad, and those who haven't. Americans who haven't travelled abroad are simply ignorant about so many things. They have no idea of what really goes on in foreign countries such as India, China, Russia, Africa, Europe....where most of the humans in this world live. These Americans can only speculate as to what is best for humans, they don't really know. Americans who have never travelled abroad have very narrow perspectives about life, freedom, family, wealth, and poverty because they've only experienced a very small dose of what's really out there. These Americans are dependent upon their government and corporate media for information. lol. But people who don't have children are iminently more qualified to pass judgement on those that do?
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Post by jules on Jan 22, 2008 15:35:49 GMT -5
Right, because standing up and representing what you believe is useless and unproductive. Nice attitude jules. Time to go rejoin the rest of the sheep. Ranting and raving in such a manner that alienates and insults rather than inviting others to consider another point of view in a rational and respectful manner is absolutely unproductive.
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Post by freckles on Jan 22, 2008 15:46:18 GMT -5
When the cars run out of Gas It will be back to the way it was
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Post by JC on Jan 22, 2008 15:47:11 GMT -5
i totally get what blazin is saying. i even agree with it to an extent. the fact is there ARE families out there who cut way back to make sure mom can stay home... if you take a look around you, you probably have WAY more than you actually need to survive, even happily. that ipod you have? that semi new car? that two story house in the suburbs you cant really afford? cable? internet? all the new latest fashion crap? we have so much more than we ever need it is ridiculous. i think it is a bit of a stretch to say single moms can stay at home, because the fact is there are a lot of them out there who just cant. no family, dont qualify for a lot of assistance whatever the reason...
all that being said, there are some children who do excell in daycare. each childs needs are different, and while i agree one of the core needs is mom, that isnt the only thing. my oldest child is smart as a whip, never went to preschool or anything, and he is making straight A's in school.. my middle child is a lot slower, and therefore has made huge strides in preschool.
i think everyone is going to have his/her own opinion, and i think that is great..
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Post by wizer on Jan 22, 2008 15:52:54 GMT -5
That's the thing. Blazin' probabably makes some good points and cites reliable data. But instead of making suggestions and making observations, he attacks. He implies that mother's that put their children in daycare are all losers who care about money more than their own children, which is where he goes from being helpful to being insulting and accusatory.
He might be right in some cases, but certainly not all, and that's where it all goes to Hell.
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Post by blazinheart on Jan 22, 2008 15:52:59 GMT -5
The fact is though, many moms who are dropping off their kids at day care are a product of our society - the result, not the cause . Very good point, but only partially true. By continueing our materialistic, shallow lifestyles we are becoming the cause and result. The bottomline is, if a mother truly believed that the well being of her child was of utmost importance, she wouldn't leave it for others to care for, she would find a way to stay with the little one. It is becoming more and more difficult to be a free thinker, a non-corformist, believe me, I know. But it can be done. We can live according to what we believe is best for us and our children. It is sad that mothers actually believe they have to leave their babies everyday to go work. But the fact is, they don't have to. They can receive federal and state support, as well as support from family and friends, if they would ask. The problem is, most mothers aren't willing to make the sacrifices necessary to stay home with their children. They don't want to humble themselves, to ask for help. And they have people like Shey telling them that it's actually better to drop their kid off at daycare than it is to stay with it. What if? I don't deal in the hypothetical, sorry. Btw, I work for a living.
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Post by blazinheart on Jan 22, 2008 16:00:40 GMT -5
Ranting and raving in such a manner that alienates and insults rather than inviting others to consider another point of view in a rational and respectful manner is absolutely unproductive. Ranting and raving? Spare me the dramatics jules. I've done nothing but present my beliefs. The ranting and raving was done by those reacting to my personal opinion.
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Post by cdngurl on Jan 22, 2008 16:03:06 GMT -5
They can receive federal and state support, as well as support from family and friends, if they would ask. In my experience, some of the worst mothers I've known have been those on social assistance... just sayin. We are WAY off the nursing home topic freckles brought up. The only thing I would like to add to that is the comments of a friend who worked in a long term care facility for veterans. He basically said how sad it was to watch the nurses mistreat the people who had done so much for our country. He also commented on how quick the nurses were to use vitamin "V" (valium), to shut them up rather than deal with them.... very sad.
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