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Post by murdock on Mar 5, 2008 15:15:15 GMT -5
I had a situation a couple of years ago where my son's school wanted me to take him to a physchiatrist and have him medicated for ADHD. I talked to my family and friends, many of which are teachers and child care providers and they told me to not take him to a therapist because then he would think that there was something wrong with him. So I didn't. I had to fight off teachers, prinicipals and school counselors for years. His symptoms have lessened as he is getting older.
The reason why I think medication should be considered in this situation is because the child seems to be having an extremely difficult time with her emotions, feelings, impulses and dealing with the aftermath of her actions. I think medication could be helpful to sooth her while getting her emotions under control. Once they are under control, other options should be explored.
There is a book called Prozac Nation that shows a girl going through a difficult stage in her life and her decision to take Prozac to help her cope.
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Post by freckles on Mar 5, 2008 15:16:21 GMT -5
Prozac is Evil
Google the Side Effects
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Post by freckles on Mar 5, 2008 15:18:17 GMT -5
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Post by murdock on Mar 5, 2008 15:25:35 GMT -5
My example of Prozac Nation was not pro for the use of Prozac, the book was written in the 80's, but to show an example of someone that went through a bad period, used medication to cope and got out of the funk and got off the meds.
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Post by sheyd on Mar 5, 2008 15:30:23 GMT -5
having an extremely difficult time with her emotions, feelings, impulses and dealing with the aftermath of her actions. Absolutely. That is her absolutely. She can't talk about them enough, control them enough, turn her thought patterns around enough. She wants attention, and will escalate until she gets it, but the attention she gets then is negative, her actions are negative, and instead of venting her bad feelings and feeling better, she ends up feeling way worse. So, Freckles, you think I should just "let her be sad"? Including when she says things like "I don't want be here", "I hate myself"? That is better than taking a chance that drugs would allow her to control it? The truth is, it might be - but I won't know that until I TRY the drug option... I hate to, but that is where I am at now. Shey |
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Post by murdock on Mar 5, 2008 15:37:17 GMT -5
Shey,
You do what you feel you need to do... you are her mother!!! I will be here to support which ever decision you make.
I tried to google snake bite pros and cons in connection with treatment of mental illness, but all I couldn't find anything to support that getting bitten by a snake is beneficial for a child.
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Post by sheyd on Mar 5, 2008 15:48:25 GMT -5
I am already working on getting her into the psychiatrist... I didn't really post to get approval, although I have had some suggestions from people that I will try. I am doing what I feel I have to, even though I am not comfortable with it.
I think I post... to let it out. When my feelings get me so down I don't feel like I can move at all, like I am lost and weighed down. I feel like I am moving, talking. I am justifying it, explaining it, getting prepared to move forward. Sometimes the things are so personal I just write it out, but it is when people interact with me that I feel like it isn't all internal, that I am somehow moving forward...
Shey
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Post by bobfromacctg on Mar 19, 2008 15:17:18 GMT -5
So any update Shey? How is your daughter doing?
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Post by newts on Mar 20, 2008 3:29:40 GMT -5
OMG Sheyd,
I am so sorry to hear this. Was she always like this? When somebody, anybody refuses to communicate it is actually very difficult for that person to heal and let others help. It breaks my heart to think someone so young could be so unhappy with life. I hate the thought that a 9 year old needs to be drugged to cope, however, if it your only choice, then it's your only choice.
It sounds like trauma based depression to me. I wish I could say something or do something that could take your daughters pain away.
Sheyd, I will be thinking of you and your little girl. Take Care
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Post by sheyd on Mar 20, 2008 8:26:53 GMT -5
Thank you all... we are working on the sleep issue first, since we haven't heard of an appointment to the psychiatrist yet we are trying something on our own. Melatonin. It didn't work much the first two nights, but last night she slept the whole night through and this morning she woke up without a complaint of feeling tired. She also fell asleep easier and quicker last night. I don't know if it was the melatonin or just a good night -she occasionally has those. We will try for a few more days and see if we can get some good consistent sleep nights in. She really has a problem with nightmares, not sure what could help that.
I have been reading her Pollyanna, and talking to her about how a positive attitude can affect your life and the lives of those around you. We have been talking about which side of the coin you choose to look at - the dark horrible side or the easy-going light side. Some things ARE horrible, but we don't want that to taint the rest of the world. I don't know if it is helping, but I think an attitude switch of this magnitute will take time and training. At least she is willing to listen and TRY sometimes now. I think she is often on a knife's edge of whether to blow things off or to get all wound up. Too often she chooses to get wound up. Maybe with this attempt to be positive she can make better choices.
I have to fight with her counselor when I talk to her next. Kor's way of handling things if her fits are ignored is to escalate it until you can't ignore her - usually until something or someone is damaged. That or me doing something that startles her out of it - usually things that are not helpful in the long run - are the only things that stop her. The counselor wants us to ignore even her escalations, until she has no choice but to learn to calm herself down. (We know she can, because she does it everywhere else but at home.) Keep the other kids/us/pets locked up in my bedroom if necessary to keep us safe. Trouble is, she might get hurt - or even just the damage she does to other things makes her self-loathe. I didn't like that option. A friend suggested restraining her, manually, while still ignoring her words, etc. I have practice at this from when she had night terrors when restraint was the only way to stop her from hurting herself in thrashing fear. You put her back to your front, grab her wrists, and have her arms hug herself. if necessary, you can throw a leg over her legs. It keeps her from hurting anyone or herself, while not hurting her. She can't do any damage, no guilt afterwards, but she still has to calm HERSELF down. It isn't pleasant, but it doesn't hurt. Her counselor doesn't like this idea. I don't like the idea of Kori getting so out of control she hurts herself. So, her counselor and I will just have to have this one out.
We had an appointment Tuesday, but I was so sick I couldn't put coherent thoughts together, and we skipped it. We have one next Tuesday, hopefully then I will learn more about the psychiatrist, too. Sigh.
Shey
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Post by bobfromacctg on Mar 20, 2008 8:33:32 GMT -5
That is so very true Freck because if it is written on a web sight it must be true! My eldest child is on it and it has saved his life. Calmed him down, gave him the ability to think about his behaviour before he acts out. He is a different man now thanks to that drug. Some people have had problems with it but far more - exponentially more have been helped by it. |
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Post by sheyd on Mar 20, 2008 8:52:43 GMT -5
It sounds like trauma based depression to me. I wish I could say something or do something that could take your daughters pain away. It is actually a genetic based condition, most likely. It comes with control issues, general anxiety, negative attitude, stomach issues, sleep issues... the fits are just the culmination - and the pain is because she wants to be PERFECT and in PERFECT control of herself. Her anxiety is often around areas where she feels she can't control things enough or feels she failed. That reminds me - I have to make an appt to get her in to the doc, too, for acid reflux... Shey |
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Post by bobfromacctg on Mar 20, 2008 10:28:46 GMT -5
You are right - not a good idea. We lived like that for years with my oldest and it made our home a war zone.
I am so sorry you are having to deal with this.
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Post by sheyd on Mar 20, 2008 10:33:03 GMT -5
SHE doesn't like that idea either - she hates feeling out of control, and even the fear that she WILL be out of control without even someone stopping her almost sent her into a fit! She hates how she acts when she gets that way, but we can't seem to find anything to stop it as she heads there. She begs me to help her, but we don't know how. I told her about the restraint idea - she actually wants that... she wants someone to stop her because she feels like she can't. She CAN - but we have to help her learn how to do it consciously WITHOUT letting her get hurt or hate herself. Tightrope walking at its finest!
Shey
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Post by Saucy on Mar 20, 2008 11:48:30 GMT -5
you are an awesome mother shey!
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